Burke coming up on the Fan 960 (4pm)

[moon]

Originally Posted by BigRed

It's also too early to declare them failures. Those drafts are 2 years old. It's a miracle they've produced that many games period. But I do think it's fair to say that the prevailing sentiment about those drafts, here and elsewhere, is optimistic.

The truth is, Flames prospects look good, and Feaster and Weisbrod have a lot to do with that. There's nothing outlandish, speculative or rosy about that statement. It's just the truth. Time will bear out reality, but compared to prior years, those drafts look decent at worst.

I don't think they are failures at all but the fact that something that has produced nothing is pointed to as a big positive for Feaster speaks to the job he did as GM.

Having the 6th overall pick overall play his first season is hardly a miracle.

[Phaneufenstein]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Anybody that believes 10 GM's called Burke to tell him he did good signing Stajan to that deal must also believe that Brian Burke never had any intention of firing Feaster and had no desire to become the GM of the Calgary Flames when he accepted the job of President of Hockey ops.

I'm also sure these same people will believe that if and when Burke finally does hire a GM, that newly hired GM will not simply be Brian Burkes puppet.

Do you really think Burke would just invent that statement?

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Anybody that believes 10 GM's called Burke to tell him he did good signing Stajan to that deal must also believe that Brian Burke never had any intention of firing Feaster and had no desire to become the GM of the Calgary Flames when he accepted the job of President of Hockey ops.

I'm also sure these same people will believe that if and when Burke finally does hire a GM, that newly hired GM will not simply be Brian Burkes puppet.

How come? Each of those things is mutually exclusive, meaning you beliving in one does not require or predicate belief in the other. So anyone can actually believe all those statements to be true, all those statements to be false, or any combination of true and falses.

Also, I don't recall Burke saying he had no intentions of firing Feaster............maybe he did................but I think all he said was that he would do a full evaluation of the organization. But what's your point really?

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

I like Burke's honesty and bluntness (word?).

Just don't like that Stajan comment. It comes off like an Oiler "the rest of the league thinks we're getting better". I don't like the way of using social proof to validate your moves to the public.

I'm not crapping on the Stajan signing, as I believe it was a solid signing. A year too long perhaps, but still solid.

My impression from that comment was that he feels that fans are overly critical of Stajan and he threw in that comment as another supporting point for Stajan and the signing.

Not a "hey, look - other people think we're awesome" comment, just a "other GMs don't hate him, why do you fans?"

[moon]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Anybody that believes 10 GM's called Burke to tell him he did good signing Stajan to that deal must also believe that Brian Burke never had any intention of firing Feaster and had no desire to become the GM of the Calgary Flames when he accepted the job of President of Hockey ops.

I'm also sure these same people will believe that if and when Burke finally does hire a GM, that newly hired GM will not simply be Brian Burkes puppet.

I doubt Ken Holland called and said hey that Stajan contract rocked bye, but I could see GMs saying nice work on the Stajan deal during discussions about other things. Burke is likely one if the busiest GMs in terms in talking to other GMs so not unbelievable he could have heard things while in those calls.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

Anybody that believes 10 GM's called Burke to tell him he did good signing Stajan to that deal must also believe that Brian Burke never had any intention of firing Feaster and had no desire to become the GM of the Calgary Flames when he accepted the job of President of Hockey ops.

I'm also sure these same people will believe that if and when Burke finally does hire a GM, that newly hired GM will not simply be Brian Burkes puppet.

I have to agree, that was just weird. Do GM's actually call each other to congratulate each other on rather everyday signings? I just have a really hard time picturing that actually happening.

[Gaskal]

Originally Posted by Itse

I have to agree, that was just weird. Do GM's actually call each other to congratulate each other on rather everyday signings? I just have a really hard time picturing that actually happening.

No, but it's probably come up in conversation between him and a few GM's recently.

Burke has been in sell mode like he said, remember? The phones are already starting to blow up, but especially so after Sochi. It's not out of the question that a GM would drop "Hey btw, good move with Stajan" somewhere in the discussion.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by moon

I doubt Ken Holland called and said hey that Stajan contract rocked bye, but I could see GMs saying nice work on the Stajan deal during discussions about other things. Burke is likely one if the busiest GMs in terms in talking to other GMs so not unbelievable he could have heard things while in those calls.

The real question is, was he keeping a tally in his notebook or whiteboard about how many people congratulated him on the Stajan signing?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by moon

I don't think they are failures at all but the fact that something that has produced nothing is pointed to as a big positive for Feaster speaks to the job he did as GM.

Having the 6th overall pick overall play his first season is hardly a miracle.

Compare him to our other 6th overall picks.
He still appears to have made the right pick, and it's not a no-brainier.
8 players from the 2013 draft have played a game so far.

[nik-]

Lets be honest though, Monahan was a good pick, but the decision was really made for us. We desperately needed a center, and he was left.

Worked out for us obviously, but it was a no brainer.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by nik-

Lets be honest though, Monahan was a good pick, but the decision was really made for us. We desperately needed a center, and he was left.

Worked out for us obviously, but it was a no brainer.

This may spark an argument - but what if Monahan was talem at the 5th spot. Who do you pick? Lindholm? Nichushkin? I was big on Nichushkin then, and even more so now.

I totally agree, however - Monahan was the no-brainer pick. Fits the organizational need that the entire fanbase has been hoping for, you get a very good player, and you also get a very 'safe' player. Everything pointed at Monahan from that standpoint. Feaster also mentioned pre-draft that he wanted someone to come in and play that season (which I disagree should ever be a concern).

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by nik-

Lets be honest though, Monahan was a good pick, but the decision was really made for us. We desperately needed a center, and he was left.

Worked out for us obviously, but it was a no brainer.

Even the oilers brain trust had Monahan as their guy if he was still there. If the oilers could manage it anyone could.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by nik-

Lets be honest though, Monahan was a good pick, but the decision was really made for us. We desperately needed a center, and he was left.

Worked out for us obviously, but it was a no brainer.

I'd say very few picks outside of consensus #1 overalls are no brainers. If you're gonna credit or blame scouting then you have to do it for every year.

In the case of Monahan it seemed a no brainer to us but lots of people didn't have him in their top 6.
In the Flyers behind the scenes video you can see they move Monahan down below a bunch of defensemen.
Future Considerations had him 8th. Nurse and Nichushkin ahead.
ISS had him 9th. Zadorov, Nurse and Nichushkin ahead.
Redline actually was very close to several of our picks. They had Monahan at #6 ahead of Lindholm/Nurse but behind Nichushkin, and also Poirier at #21 and Klimchuk at #27.

In a way I do agree with you that it was a no brainer to the Flames specifically but I don't think that means the scouts and GM should get no credit. It was a high pick in a good year that would've been hard to screw up but they made a good decision with Monahan. How brutal would it have been to take Nurse over him for example?

[Phanuthier]

I know you guys are having a ton of fun trying to justify Feaster's tenure here, but GM's really aren't that involved in the drafting. I believe there was an article last year that Feaster doesn't even watch junior/NCAA games... he listens to his scouts. So its really a moot point.

[Vulcan]

I liked Sutter's interviews. He'd say something like, we like our team and won't be making any moves and three days later, two players and a pick would be gone and three new Flames would arrive. The press would get all pissy.

[Bend it like Bourgeois]

Originally Posted by Buff

The real question is, was he keeping a tally in his notebook or whiteboard about how many people congratulated him on the Stajan signing?

He scratched out the title on Sutters whiteboard that said '20 goal scorers' and replaced it with 'people who agree I'm a genius'