[News] Shane O'Brien assigned to Heat. Breen recalled.

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

“@ShaneOBrien55: A lot of good guys in that dressing room in Calgary.. All the best boys.”

Looks like I judged his character wrong. Good on him.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yeah, I overreacted and I'll own it. I look at it like this. Moves should be made to improve the team and I fail to see how this move improves the team. Breen looked like a slow pylon the times he's played yet we still have to see what he can do. It's only because he's the one player from the Sutter era that was brought in unsigned and showed some promise but to date hasn't been able to put it together at the NHL level. I get that they want to see what he can do but who sits in the top six to give him ice time? I don't think he is an improvement on O'Brien and SOB is not the major reason why we suck. People bitch and moan about a dufus for dufus trade but this is a dufus for dufus call up/demotion.

I guess all it would have taken is a relesse stating SOB is assigned to Abby and a call up is pending and my overreaction would have been less. Yeah, I spend too much time on this site and twitter awaiting breaking roster news but given the state of the team, that's all we have is the promise of a better tomorrow and tomorrow can't come soon enough.

I agree with you, Breen has not looked great but he hasn't been much worse than O'Brien. I feel bad for the guy and I hope he lands NHL employment soon, but do t forget, Burke is still pretty new to this team and wants to see what he has on the farm. Don't be surprised if Breen is moved in a package deal soon.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall in Burkes office just like everyone else here but I settle for speculating or reading speculation. At the end of the day it's all you, me and damn near everyone else here can do. No hard feelings, I was overly dickish in my response to you.

Let's just hope there's some good trade news soon!

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Wow, pretty candid.

What can SOB fetch you? A fourth? Or is that too optimistic?

Too optimistic. The only likely way to move him is a garbage for garbage deal or throw him in a bigger deal. It's going to be very difficult to move him this offseason and the team will probably be faced with buying him out or bringing him back to training camp next season.

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Too optimistic. The only likely way to move him is a garbage for garbage deal or throw him in a bigger deal. It's going to be very difficult to move him this offseason and the team will probably be faced with buying him out or bringing him back to training camp next season.

Sigh... Feaster.

Sign Sarich to a nearly unreadable contract when you should have let him walk.

Then trade him for an even worse player. Tanguay + Sarich for SOB and Gagliardi was highway robbery!

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

Yeah, I overreacted and I'll own it. I look at it like this. Moves should be made to improve the team and I fail to see how this move improves the team. Breen looked like a slow pylon the times he's played yet we still have to see what he can do. It's only because he's the one player from the Sutter era that was brought in unsigned and showed some promise but to date hasn't been able to put it together at the NHL level. I get that they want to see what he can do but who sits in the top six to give him ice time? I don't think he is an improvement on O'Brien and SOB is not the major reason why we suck. People bitch and moan about a dufus for dufus trade but this is a dufus for dufus call up/demotion.

I guess all it would have taken is a relesse stating SOB is assigned to Abby and a call up is pending and my overreaction would have been less. Yeah, I spend too much time on this site and twitter awaiting breaking roster news but given the state of the team, that's all we have is the promise of a better tomorrow and tomorrow can't come soon enough.

I agree that moves should be made to improve this team, but we should be looking to improve the future of this team. It's obvious O'Brien isn't in this teams future plans and he most definitely isn't needed as a positive veteran presence in our lineup moving forward.

Breen was with the flames briefly to start the year and he was told what facets of his game need to improve on in order to become an NHLer. This showing will see if there's been improvements and what his future role is with the club.

First people want to see what our prospects can do in the NHL and then they freak out when a veterans position is being taken by a younger player. We're in a rebuild everyone, get used to some of our established veterans getting demoted or traded for future assets.

I for one am excited to see Breen's progression as I know he improved leaps and bounds last year and hope more of the same has happened this year.

[Vulcan]

I think he has some value if as Burke says we keep some of his salary. He may even be worth more now that he's cleared waivers. Some playoff bound team may want to have him available as an 8th defenceman, safely down on the farm.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Sigh... Feaster.

Sign Sarich to a nearly unreadable contract when you should have let him walk.

Then trade him for an even worse player. Tanguay + Sarich for SOB and Gagliardi was highway robbery!

Sarich at 2 million is a pretty fair contract. Colorado is getting more than that out of him this season. He is on pace for better than his career averages in points and is still playing a stand up physical game.

The problem wasn't sarich's contract, it was the way Hartley used him to kill any value he had. Colorado would have zero problems trading Sarich tomorrow if they wanted to, but I think they are quite happy to have a guy like him on their blueline as they head into the playoffs.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Within 24 hours you'll have all your thanks available again.

Nom nom nom

[ForeverFlameFan]

Well at least Tanguay would have had more value than D. Jones.. And Sarich plays way better D than SOB. I hated the trade from the start. I realize that these were just bad contracts trading bad contracts, but I think Tanguay would have actually produced more points than what D. Jones did.

Overall, I think the trade was horrible. D Jones' contract is worse than Tanguay's, and I thought Sarich seemed better than SOB.We could have traded the sulky Tanguay at the deadline. SOB is a fail, he needed to fight more and show more aggression. Now all we are using them for is the keep the cap good. The cap problem should be the least of our worries.. We can sign free agents and overpay them easily.

[OzSome]

I hope Breen does the Paul Byron turnaround. Breen early in the season does not look like an NHL-ready defenseman and I thought he needs more seasoning in the AHL. Byron doesn't look like an NHLers either last season and early in the season but he was excellent after his last call-up. He uses his speed and was involved in a lot of plays.. i guess confidence does that to a player. So i am hoping Breen confidence is so much better this time around and also hope he is faster and try to use his strength to his advantage. He is big. Good luck on Breen.

As for SOB. I didn't think he was that bad. I thought he was playing ok especially for the minutes he's been playing. Only thing I noticed was he's not physical enough I guess.

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Well at least Tanguay would have had more value than D. Jones.. And Sarich plays way better D than SOB. I hated the trade from the start. I realize that these were just bad contracts trading bad contracts, but I think Tanguay would have actually produced more points than what D. Jones did.

Overall, I think the trade was horrible. D Jones' contract is worse than Tanguay's, and I thought Sarich seemed better than SOB.We could have traded the sulky Tanguay at the deadline. SOB is a fail, he needed to fight more and show more aggression. Now all we are using them for is the keep the cap good. The cap problem should be the least of our worries.. We can sign free agents and overpay them easily.

There is so much wrong with this logic. If we overpay FAs, then we're in the same position.
I don't have the numbers, but I think D. Jones produces more than Tanguay.
No guarantee we could have gotten anything else or different for Tanguay.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

There is so much wrong with this logic. If we overpay FAs, then we're in the same position.
I don't have the numbers, but I think D. Jones produces more than Tanguay.
No guarantee we could have gotten anything else or different for Tanguay.

I would maybe take a look at the numbers. The only year Jones has more points than Tanguay is this year, and he has played 25 more games to manage 5 extra points. That's just comparing year to year. If you match up their seasons at the same age (Tanguay being 5 years older):

26yrs: Jones (2010-11); 27-18-45 in 70 games. Tanguay (05-06); 29-49-78 in 71 games.
27yrs: Jones (2011-12); 20-17-37 in 72 games. Tanguay (06-07); 22-59-81 in 81 games.
And those are Jones' two best years.

Jones does bring size and relative youth to the team, but is most certainly worth less in terms of trade value.

[FBI]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Sigh... Feaster.

Sign Sarich to a nearly unreadablecontract when you should have let him walk.

Then trade him for an even worse player. Tanguay + Sarich for SOB and Gagliardiwas highway robbery!

you mean Jones?

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by formulate

I would maybe take a look at the numbers. The only year Jones has more points than Tanguay is this year, and he has played 25 more games to manage 5 extra points. That's just comparing year to year. If you match up their seasons at the same age (Tanguay being 5 years older):

26yrs: Jones (2010-11); 27-18-45 in 70 games. Tanguay (05-06); 29-49-78 in 71 games.
27yrs: Jones (2011-12); 20-17-37 in 72 games. Tanguay (06-07); 22-59-81 in 81 games.
And those are Jones' two best years.

Jones does bring size and relative youth to the team, but is most certainly worth less in terms of trade value.

Thanks for the info. (seriously) but we didn't trade 2005 Tanguay for Jones, we traded 2013 Tanguay for Jones, so, in my opinion, the comparable should be current numbers. The only way to say what each is worth comparably is if they were each traded now, and see what they receive.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by IamNotKenKing

Thanks for the info. (seriously) but we didn't trade 2005 Tanguay for Jones, we traded 2013 Tanguay for Jones, so, in my opinion, the comparable should be current numbers. The only way to say what each is worth comparably is if they were each traded now, and see what they receive.

This is absolutely true. I guess I put that in there to illustrate just how much better of a player Tanguay is/was. The fact remains that Jones is still being consistently outproduced by Tanguay. I get that Tanguay mailed it in ('pouted') after Iginla left, but that shouldn't have reduced his value to the rest of the league. At least, not to the point where he was swapped for a buyout candidate.

[flambers]

Originally Posted by formulate

This is absolutely true. I guess I put that in there to illustrate just how much better of a player Tanguay is/was. The fact remains that Jones is still being consistently outproduced by Tanguay. I get that Tanguay mailed it in ('pouted') after Iginla left, but that shouldn't have reduced his value to the rest of the league. At least, not to the point where he was swapped for a buyout candidate.

Hard to compare, Tanguay has had a really tough season. Basically been hurt for most of it. Playing 14 games and generating 3 goals.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by flambers

Hard to compare, Tanguay has had a really tough season. Basically been hurt for most of it. Playing 14 games and generating 3 goals.

Extended absence due to knee injury, Tanguay played for the first time since November and got an assist.

10 points in 14 compared to 15 points in 39. That actually seems pretty easy to compare.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Extended absence due to knee injury, Tanguay played for the first time since November and got an assist.

10 points in 14 compared to 15 points in 39. That actually seems pretty easy to compare.

Not to defend the move but from Feaster's point of view both Sarich and Tanguay will likely be retired or at the end of the line by the time the Flames are ready to compete again.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Extended absence due to knee injury, Tanguay played for the first time since November and got an assist.

10 points in 14 compared to 15 points in 39. That actually seems pretty easy to compare.

Tanguay is always playing with Landesog (5.5M 14 goals 38 pts) and Statsnsy (6.6 M 14 goals 37 pts)

D.Jones not nearly having the same consistenent linemates as Tanguay but his most common line mates are Stajan ( 3.1 M 8 goals 19 pts) Backlund 1.5M 9 goals 21 pts and Bouma .5 M 4 goals 10 pts)

All 3 of David Jones linemates are not making as much as either one of Tanguays linemates.

We all have a pretty good idea how Tanguay would be playing if he was asked to play on a line with Backlund and Bouma as David Jones has been asked.

[formulate]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Tanguay is always playing with Landesog (5.5M 14 goals 38 pts) and Statsnsy (6.6 M 14 goals 37 pts)

D.Jones not nearly having the same consistenent linemates as Tanguay but his most common line mates are Stajan ( 3.1 M 8 goals 19 pts) Backlund 1.5M 9 goals 21 pts and Bouma .5 M 4 goals 10 pts)

All 3 of David Jones linemates are not making as much as either one of Tanguays linemates.

We all have a pretty good idea how Tanguay would be playing if he was asked to play on a line with Backlund and Bouma as David Jones has been asked.

Can't really argue this point, but Tanguay is a playmaker who has the ability to create offense. I'd be willing to bet Bouma would have a few more goals with Tanguay as a linemate. I'd also be willing to bet that Tanguay (0.82 career ppg, 0.46 ppg in his worst season, 0.68 ppg last year) would have more than Jones' 15 points (0.38 ppg). Of course, there's no way of knowing for sure, I don't know how to get to the other timelines