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Old 01-26-2014, 03:36 PM   #61
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Even though this guy is a massive A-hole, I cannot disagree with his business acumen, and belief that anyone willing to work for it, and take risks, can have it.

The brothers I work for, started selling $500 beaters off of a gravel lot in an industrial area 25 years ago, and have grown their enterprise to 13 dealerships (10 brand name) millions in real estate holdings in Canada and the US, and a net worth of what I would guess to be over a billion dollars now. They did it by eating and sleeping their business, and taking some huge risks along the way. I have asked the one I see around the most what his motivation is, and he said "When the repo man, came and took my parents furniture when I was a kid, I vowed I would never put my family in a position like that."

Even though the guy would never have to work another minute in his life if he chose, you would have to hire a department of 10 guys, to get what he gets done in a day. He might be the richest guy I know, but he works harder than anyone I have seen in my life. A normal work day for him is 14-16 hours. If it means going in the back and washing used cars because we are short a guy, he'll pick up a rag and do it. Some people are just wired differently, and are willing to do anything it takes to be a success.
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Even though this guy is a massive A-hole, I cannot disagree with his business acumen, and belief that anyone willing to work for it, and take risks, can have it.

The brothers I work for, started selling $500 beaters off of a gravel lot in an industrial area 25 years ago, and have grown their enterprise to 13 dealerships (10 brand name) millions in real estate holdings in Canada and the US, and a net worth of what I would guess to be over a billion dollars now. They did it by eating and sleeping their business, and taking some huge risks along the way. I have asked the one I see around the most what his motivation is, and he said "When the repo man, came and took my parents furniture when I was a kid, I vowed I would never put my family in a position like that."

Even though the guy would never have to work another minute in his life if he chose, you would have to hire a department of 10 guys, to get what he gets done in a day. He might be the richest guy I know, but he works harder than anyone I have seen in my life. A normal work day for him is 14-16 hours. If it means going in the back and washing used cars because we are short a guy, he'll pick up a rag and do it. Some people are just wired differently, and are willing to do anything it takes to be a success.
What does this have to do with 85 people on Earth having as much wealth as 3.5 billion?
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Even though this guy is a massive A-hole, I cannot disagree with his business acumen, and belief that anyone willing to work for it, and take risks, can have it.

The brothers I work for, started selling $500 beaters off of a gravel lot in an industrial area 25 years ago, and have grown their enterprise to 13 dealerships (10 brand name) millions in real estate holdings in Canada and the US, and a net worth of what I would guess to be over a billion dollars now. They did it by eating and sleeping their business, and taking some huge risks along the way. I have asked the one I see around the most what his motivation is, and he said "When the repo man, came and took my parents furniture when I was a kid, I vowed I would never put my family in a position like that."

Even though the guy would never have to work another minute in his life if he chose, you would have to hire a department of 10 guys, to get what he gets done in a day. He might be the richest guy I know, but he works harder than anyone I have seen in my life. A normal work day for him is 14-16 hours. If it means going in the back and washing used cars because we are short a guy, he'll pick up a rag and do it. Some people are just wired differently, and are willing to do anything it takes to be a success.

This thread is talking about the 3.5 Billion people. None of them live in this country and the Brothers you work for were never one of them. Of course in Canada, or the US, or Europe you can pull yourself up if you really go for it. Even the people living in this country under the poverty line supporting a family on $12,000.00 a year probably make 10 times the amount that any one of these 3.5 Billion people do.

Why is everyone talking about what you can do if you work hard here, in the western world. None of that applies to the 3.5 Billion that the report talks about.
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Old 01-26-2014, 04:06 PM   #64
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Some people are wired different.

Some like to have alot of fun in life and do the minimal amount of work required needed in order to get by.

I look at myself and look at my cousins.
They were spoiled growing up and were given everything they wanted. They partied alot more than I did.

I paid my way through university, bought my first house when I was 23 and then switched careers to a strictly commission based profession that requires no post secondary education at all.
Along the way, I never bought fancy clothes or vehicles and I saved my money.

My cousins are now working dead end jobs, have no money or are taking a loosy goosy post secondary degree that they wont finish for a long time and won't give them a good career.

My cousins always say I am so 'lucky' to have what I have.
Luck has nothing to do with it.

Hard work, sacrifice, common sense and having a vision will have played a part in making me alot richer now then they will ever be.

The system or inequality isn't keeping my cousins poor.
They are keeping themselves poor by being lazy and stupid.

Kevin O'Leary may not be a nice guy, but atleast with him, what you see is what you get.
He speaks the truth. Other Sharks or Dragon Den (past or previous) might pay lip service to 3.5 Billion living in poverty, but what have they really done to help the 3.5 Billion?

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Some people are wired different.

Some like to have alot of fun in life and do the minimal amount of work required needed in order to get by.

I look at myself and look at my cousins.
They were spoiled growing up and were given everything they wanted. They partied alot more than I did.

I paid my way through university, bought my first house when I was 23 and then switched careers to a strictly commission based profession that requires no post secondary education at all.
Along the way, I never bought fancy clothes or vehicles and I saved my money.

My cousins are now working dead end jobs, have no money or are taking a loosy goosy post secondary degree that they wont finish for a long time and won't give them a good career.

My cousins always say I am so 'lucky' to have what I have.
Luck has nothing to do with it.

Hard work, sacrifice, common sense and having a vision will have played a part in making me alot richer now then they will ever be.

The system or inequality isn't keeping my cousins poor.
They are keeping themselves poor by being lazy and stupid.

Kevin O'Leary may not be a nice guy, but atleast with him, what you see is what you get.
He speaks the truth. Other Sharks or Dragon Den (past or previous) might pay lip service to 3.5 Billion living in poverty, but what have they really done to help the 3.5 Billion?
Your cousins are not part of the 3.5 Billion.
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I think that O'Leary doesn't even know who or what he is talking about when he talks about the 3.5 Billion in the report. That makes him sound like a out of touch ignorant idiot. These people in the 3.5 Billion are not going to get inspired by Bill Gates, many of them if not most have probably never even heard of him.
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I think that O'Leary doesn't even know who or what he is talking about when he talks about the 3.5 Billion in the report. That makes him sound like a out of touch ignorant idiot. These people in the 3.5 Billion are not going to get inspired by Bill Gates, many of them if not most have probably never even heard of him.
And virtually all live in places where inspiration and hard work will not hand them what he got...
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I think that O'Leary doesn't even know who or what he is talking about when he talks about the 3.5 Billion in the report. That makes him sound like a out of touch ignorant idiot. These people in the 3.5 Billion are not going to get inspired by Bill Gates, many of them if not most have probably never even heard of him.
Let alone the ability to read or have any chance at even a mediocre education. But hey, let them aspire to be great capitalists! How the hell can they "work hard" to get to the one percentile when all the necessary tools to get there have never even been heard of before?
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"Nothing we can do. Might as well just live it up."

Meh. A very good friend of mine is now working for UNICEF and it is his job to ensure that the money is getting to the children and not into the hands of the corrupt. He retired from a good paying safe job in Canada to go over to Africa. At his retirement party (he worked for me) I almost begged him not to go over as it is very dangerous. Right now he is making sure that UNICEF's money is NOT going to the corrupt bureaucracy.... I admire the HELL out of the guy. I know there is a fine line between bravery and stupidity, and I don't know what side of the line he is on.

Some people are willing to put their life on the line to help others. Some will say "meh, what's the use?".

That's very commendable.

I'm not saying don't try to help them, I'm saying that the reason the 3.5 billion people are poor is not because of the 85 people. Yes there are rich people and yes they try to help the poor. Even all of us in the middle class always donate a few dollars here and a few dollars there and it adds up to billions going to Africa.

I did Habitat for Humanity for my boss once years ago, it was an eye opener. But the systems in those African countries are broken. They're always fighting. Tribes and religious groups hate each other. There are refugees everywhere. Until that changes the 85 richest people could give the 3.5 billion everything and you'd just get a different get of rich 85 people.

I think O'Leary only argues the one side, that the 85 richest people is a good thing because we should all strive to the best. He doesn't really address or care about the 3.5 billion because it's not us.
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Listen, my buddy started at the bottom, all he had was a nice upbringing in SW Calgary, with two loving parents, who paid his way through University and then got a job from his dad at their Oil company at age 22.

The guy just didn't take no for an answer, and pulled himself out of the 3.5 billion Africans, Indians and Chinese to be a success in life. Anyone with the drive and desire can get out of the "idiot" pile.
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It's pretty hilarious watching all of the white, ableist privilege flying around from some posters in here.
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It's pretty hilarious watching all of the white, ableist privilege flying around from some posters in here.
Ok, easy on the "white" privilege bs. I feel bad for people who are born into situations where it's damn near impossible for them to improve their lifestyles. That's why I donate what I can to charities that help the people who need it. I really fail to see where the race attack has a place in this discussion. Fact of the matter is I am lucky that I grew up in canada and I wish everyone across the world could enjoy the life that a child born in Canada gets, black, yellow, brown, white. All you do by saying crap like that is cause more racial strife.
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Really? Saying something that causes people to maybe do a little reflecting on the advantages they were born with instead of attributing all of their fortunes to hard work increases racial strife? You'll have to explain how that works exactly.
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Really? Saying something that causes people to maybe do a little reflecting on the advantages they were born with instead of attributing all of their fortunes to hard work increases racial strife? You'll have to explain how that works exactly.
As soon as you said white, ableist(whatever the f that is) privilege, you made it a case of race. Is that exact enough?
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Why do people hate hearing the truth? It's not racist whatsoever. It's just the damn truth.
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As soon as you said white, ableist(whatever the f that is) privilege, you made it a case of race. Is that exact enough?
So you're saying race plays no factor in the discussion? Ableist privilege is not considering the role of physical and mental disabilities in socioeconomic discourse.
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2. Absence of delusions and other signs of irrational thinking.
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I would assume that every one of us (myself included) has a closet full of clothes that were made by 60 cent a day slaves. The Apple factory where your tablets and smartphones come from has suicide nets . Those 3.5 billion people work for us. It is a modern day version of legalized slavery.

I dunno. Instead of patting ourselves on the back for all the hard work we do maybe we should stop trying to fill our houses with crap that was made by slaves. Think about it. Does anyone really need a Chia pet? Apparently I do.
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