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sureLoss · 01-26-2014, 05:41 AM

Somewhat interesting is that Breen himself said he had no idea what was going on.

May have been trying to be coy, or perhaps something bigger in the works.

Poe969 · 01-26-2014, 05:59 AM

Would be nice to see something happen on the trade front. This team needs a change. I've hated sob and I'm happy he's gone

Lanny_McDonald · 01-26-2014, 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sureLoss

According to some Heat fans Breen was seen leaving Abbotsford with his sticks and bags after Saturday nights game.

May have been recalled, may have been traded.

IMO its most likely the former.

Breen is not a NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He's a poor skater, can't do anything at speed and doesn't have any sort of hockey IQ to play at the NHL level. SOB is a bad hockey player, but he's vastly superior to Breen in every facet of the game. I'm all for moving some of the veterans out, like SOB, but only in favor of guys that have some NHL upside. Breen isn't one of those guys.

Poe969 · 01-26-2014, 06:09 AM

I'd rather give breen a chance again, maybe he'll learn more. Sob is just terrible.

Wastedyouth · 01-26-2014, 06:13 AM

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Backlund to Chicago, Brookbank comes back as a "cap dump"

That is my official guess.

Why in the hell would the flames ever do this?

Alberta_Beef · 01-26-2014, 06:48 AM

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Why in the hell would the flames ever do this?

I should have been more clear. Brookbank would not be the only thing (obviously) he would be a throw in as a cap dump. The rest would be futures.

Alberta_Beef · 01-26-2014, 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by New Era

Breen is not a NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He's a poor skater, can't do anything at speed and doesn't have any sort of hockey IQ to play at the NHL level. SOB is a bad hockey player, but he's vastly superior to Breen in every facet of the game. I'm all for moving some of the veterans out, like SOB, but only in favor of guys that have some NHL upside. Breen isn't one of those guys.

It's amazing that you are such an astute talent evaluator after seeing him for a whole 43 minutes in ice-time at the NHL level.

Scoreface · 01-26-2014, 07:02 AM

Those unhappy with Jones should compare him and his contract to Adrian Clarkson's of Toronto.

Wastedyouth · 01-26-2014, 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Alberta_Beef

I should have been more clear. Brookbank would not be the only thing (obviously) he would be a throw in as a cap dump. The rest would be futures.

Why trade an excellent young center for futures?

Alberta_Beef · 01-26-2014, 07:21 AM

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Why trade an excellent young center for futures?

Because excellent is a massive stretch? He's what 24 now? This year is his breakout year and he's still on pace for fewer than 35 points.

Wolfman · 01-26-2014, 07:25 AM

I'd rather have SOB in the lineup than Breen. Breen just isn't good and I can't see why people think he is. If he was good he would have been claimed by 29 other teams, but didn't. Just like SOB will be cleared.

Breen is too slow!

Wastedyouth · 01-26-2014, 07:31 AM

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Because excellent is a massive stretch? He's what 24 now? This year is his breakout year and he's still on pace for fewer than 35 points.

He is the best center on the flames. He faces the toughest competition on the team and repeatedly out possesses and outshoots them. I'm not too worried about his point total at this time. He makes everyone else's job on the team much easier.

It would be certifiable to trade him.

Itse · 01-26-2014, 07:36 AM

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You keep saying this. But he has gotten 50 points once since the 07/08 season (and that was 3 years ago).

Serious cherry-picking there.

Last three seasons Tanguay scored 69 points, 49 points (in 64 games) and 27 (in half a season, which means he was easily on pace to break 50 again).

To put it another way: Tanguay has been on pace for 50+ points 12 times in his 13 NHL seasons. (His TB season being the exception. And really, 37 points in a season isn't terrible.) He does tend to lose games to injuries, but there's always a team willing to take that chance.

Sure, he's been injured some and he's certainly a secondary scoring threat at this point, but he's also getting paid accordingly.

Crap trade, no way around it.

EDIT: Actually, he's played at least 78 games in 6 of his last 8 seasons (I'm counting 40 out of 42 last season in that.) So really the injury thing is overblown too.

Textcritic · 01-26-2014, 07:37 AM

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Because excellent is a massive stretch? He's what 24 now? This year is his breakout year and he's still on pace for fewer than 35 points.

Maybe "excellent" is a stretch, but he is certainly becoming a quality NHL centreman. He's the Flames top scoring centre so far this season and is tied for third on the team in points, and is third in goals. He is on pace to set his own career high in scoring, and has substantially improved on his production from last season. He is already a solid third line centre, and still has some room to grow. Excellent? Likely not, but not so far removed as you might suggest.

Francis's Hairpiece · 01-26-2014, 07:49 AM

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Because excellent is a massive stretch? He's what 24 now? This year is his breakout year and he's still on pace for fewer than 35 points.

If he was a 1st line center relied on for points you'd be right.

He's a 3rd liner, great defensively and a good special teams player. He has improved every year and doesn't seem to be slowing down.

Crumpy-Gunt · 01-26-2014, 07:54 AM

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Breen is not a NHL player. The only thing he has going for him is size. He's a poor skater, can't do anything at speed and doesn't have any sort of hockey IQ to play at the NHL level. SOB is a bad hockey player, but he's vastly superior to Breen in every facet of the game. I'm all for moving some of the veterans out, like SOB, but only in favor of guys that have some NHL upside. Breen isn't one of those guys.

I see where you are coming from with this. But we have really small defencemen and I can see what the team is trying to do. Plus even though I would agree breens only real upside right now is his 6'7 height and he may be underweight for his frame at age 24, but I think if he gains more strength and learns to skate he may be able to carve out some more NHL games. I dont really disagree with any of your points - except I think Breen has a chance to be an NHL player if he really learns a lot and grows and adapts his game. He has something you can't teach and its size.

I was watching the Heat last night and Ben Hanowski was flying around out there.. I was very surprised because he looked a lot slower at the end of last season.

Players do improve, sometimes dramatically - but I think the Flames are taking a chance on Breen and hoping he is worth the time to develop. He's not better than O'Brien at all but he could be in a few years if we get lucky. After all Breen has played only 5 games in the NHL iirc and less than 50mins total ice time..

moon · 01-26-2014, 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by macrov

Agreed. Jones is a very solid third liner. Just an overpaid one. I think he would look very solid with Hanowski and Stajan on the third line next year.

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If Hanowski is on the team next year at least we will be going full out for McDavid. Otherwise there is no reason at all he should be anywhere near the NHL.

Moneyhands23 · 01-26-2014, 08:23 AM

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I'd rather give breen a chance again, maybe he'll learn more. Sob is just terrible.

Agreed. Give Breen a stretch of games on the 3rd pairing. If he settles in and works out, then great. If not then at least he had his shot!

moon · 01-26-2014, 08:26 AM

He has size and maybe can develop seems like a pretty terrible reason to play someone at the NHL level. Especially when you consider how awful he has looked in his short time here and lack of impressive play in his career up to this point.

I guess like anyone else out there it is possible that he dramatically improve but I would prefer to bring in guys that don't need to be the exception to the rule and are expected to improve/perform based on their skills and ability not on random luck.

Moneyhands23 · 01-26-2014, 08:30 AM

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If Hanowski is on the team next year at least we will be going full out for McDavid. Otherwise there is no reason at all he should be anywhere near the NHL.

Interesting statement, I live in Victoria and have made it over for a few Heat games this year. Hanowski isnt the best player on the team, but he shows some promise and could play a roll on the big club.