Is Edmonton intentionally tanking?

[Burke Salad]

oops, nm. Thanks Captain.

[CaptainCrunch]

Maybe wrong thread pardner?

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Sgrath

I believe they believe they are not trying to tank. They have a dysfunctional organisational culture which reinforces the holes in any rookies game.

Maybe it's my anti-oiler bias but I just don't think any of their top picks are smart enough to say what Monahan said here
http://www.calgarysun.com/2014/01/23...anchise-player

"In Junior scoring is easy. In the NHL its hard."

Ah, Sean Monahan, such a wise and excitable youth!

[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

You could argue but you would still be wrong on Hall and very, very wrong on RNH being at the same level of Ovechkin, Crosby and Tavares. That's laughable really. Hall is a good player but he's not that good and he will likely never be great as he doesn't have the hockey smarts. Elite players don't continually try and beat multiple defensemen by themselves. They learn how to use their teammates.

I think you misread his post. I think he's saying that Hall, and maybe RNH but he's not sure, was ahead of Kane, Nash, Johnson, Fleury and MacKinnon... and fairly similar to Stamkos, at their draft year, but that you had to remove Ovechkin, Crosby and Tavares, as he was not at that level for sure.

Not saying I agree or disagree, but I think that's what he is saying.

Edit: What codynw said...

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by Burner

Niemisz didnt play much with Hall and many credited him with being the leader on the team. Hall has a lot of speed and works hard but if you watch him he makes a lot of bad plays - sometimes they turn out good because he is working hard and going fast but he doesnt make those around him play better

Hall and Neimsz played together plenty... he was his centre for all 08-09... they may have separated a bit more in 09-10 but they were still together on the PP.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by diane_phaneuf

a lot of this goes in to unlucky draft years too, not that they deserve any credit for 3 straight first overall picks, but going back to 2000 1st overall picks they just picked the worst time to suck

If you were going through this list and were told you could pick any 3 year run of 1st overall picks to build your team around I think 2010-2012 would be the least desired


2013Nathan MacKinnon
2012Nail Yakupov
2011Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
2010Taylor Hall
2009John Tavares
2008Steven Stamkos
2007Patrick Kane
2006Erik Johnson
2005Sidney Crosby
2004Alexander Ovechkin
2003Marc-Andre Fleury
2002Rick Nash
2001Ilya Kovalchuk

Also don't forget how young the oilers franchise players are...

Hall is 21
Nuge is 20
Yak is 19

They're still a ways off from being complete players. Unless your talking about stamkos, crosby, McKinnon or OV in the last 20 years...its takes more than a couple seasons for any 18 year old entering the NHL to find his game.

Or maybe this is the way Atlanta kept getting top 5 picks and only made the playoffs 1nce or 2ce. Hard to say I suppose.

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[Locke]

Originally Posted by macrov

Also don't forget how young the oilers franchise players are...

Hall is 21
Nuge is 20
Yak is 19

They're still a ways off from being complete players. Unless your talking about stamkos, crosby, McKinnon or OV in the last 20 years...its takes more than a couple seasons for any 18 year old entering the NHL to find his game.

Or maybe this is the way Atlanta kept getting top 5 picks and only made the playoffs 1nce or 2ce. Hard to say I suppose.

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I see what you're saying, but nobody makes the NHL and becomes a superstar all on their own.

The Oilers Wunderkinds are being thrown the wolves without a second thought. And Andy Ference doesnt really count. He's too late to the party.

[macrov]

Originally Posted by Locke

I see what you're saying, but nobody makes the NHL and becomes a superstar all on their own.

The Oilers Wunderkinds are being thrown the wolves without a second thought. And Andy Ference doesnt really count. He's too late to the party.

I get that. I'm trying to suggest the oilers have a lot of talent, but it hasn't been utilized properly.

I'd argue the Oilers are poorly built, but have amassed a lot of valuable, young talent. And if they wanted to, they would be able to go out and move talent around to become a decent team in the off season.

A few players like Orielly, Orpik, Luke Schenn, Girardi, Bieksa, Edler, or Hamhuis would make them a most decent team. Team guys, with leadership, and defense first playing styles.



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[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by macrov

I get that. I'm trying to suggest the oilers have a lot of talent, but it hasn't been utilized properly.

I'd argue the Oilers are poorly built, but have amassed a lot of valuable, young talent. And if they wanted to, they would be able to go out and move talent around to become a decent team in the off season.

A few players like Orielly, Orpik, Luke Schenn, Girardi, Bieksa, Edler, or Hamhuis would make them a most decent team. Team guys, with leadership, and defense first playing styles.



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If the Oilers make moves for those guys, teams are going to make them pay heavily.

That's the rub with the Oilers, they're weaknesses are so obvious and blatant that come deadline time people are going to be able to string the Oilers inexperienced GM along and use his desperation to gouge him.

Plus I have this sneaking suspicion that one or two of the big 4 are going to demand a trade this year by the deadline.

[northcrunk]

Honestly I would doubt other teams would even be interested in Hall and RNH due to their cap hit and production.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

If the Oilers make moves for those guys, teams are going to make them pay heavily.

That's the rub with the Oilers, they're weaknesses are so obvious and blatant that come deadline time people are going to be able to string the Oilers inexperienced GM along and use his desperation to gouge him.

Plus I have this sneaking suspicion that one or two of the big 4 are going to demand a trade this year by the deadline.

I wouldn't doubt it either, I would say at least 2-3 will be asking for trades if not all 4

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Honestly I would doubt other teams would even be interested in Hall and RNH due to their cap hit and production.

Their production isn't really the problem, their offensive numbers are good. But during a game in the whole grand scheme of things with their terrible 200 foot game, do they do you more harm then good?

Right now based on their record its really . . . more harm.

Any team that takes these guys on is going to have to spend a lot of time and effort breaking them of their bad habits.

[Stay Golden]

Everytime Eakins opens his trap to reporters and thinks he is being witty if i was an Oiler fan i would be shuddering saying just shut your damn mouth Dallas. Like his comment yesterday to press about " you know what's the perfect game" ? and his stupid reply "it is when you don't have any hits" then added "it's because you always have the puck"
Eakins just falls in suit with entire ass backwards organization.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Honestly I would doubt other teams would even be interested in Hall and RNH due to their cap hit and production.

With their potential (on a decent team with a real system) and the cap rising significantly I think they would get plenty of interest for either player. Tor or Van would fall all over themselves for Hall.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Honestly I would doubt other teams would even be interested in Hall and RNH due to their cap hit and production.

Hall puts up more than enough points to justify his cap hit. Not sure if I would say the same about RNH, but Hall would be easy to trade.

[danny darko]

For the most part I agree with how draft position ranks are sorted, however there needs to come a time when a team stops being rewarded for constant failure. 3 first overalls in a row and another two in the top 10 over the last 5 years, plus another potential first pick this year is ridiculous!

[Locke]

Originally Posted by macrov

I get that. I'm trying to suggest the oilers have a lot of talent, but it hasn't been utilized properly.

I'd argue the Oilers are poorly built, but have amassed a lot of valuable, young talent. And if they wanted to, they would be able to go out and move talent around to become a decent team in the off season.

A few players like Orielly, Orpik, Luke Schenn, Girardi, Bieksa, Edler, or Hamhuis would make them a most decent team. Team guys, with leadership, and defense first playing styles.

I guess this is the drum that I'm banging lately:

Talent isn't a Fixed Asset.

[Poe969]

If Hall, RHN or Yak were worth tanking, I'm guessing they'll have no issue tanking for Ekblad

[Vulcan]

I found this an interesting article about Dubnyk's bad habits he's picked up in Edmonton.

http://prohockeytalk.nbcsports.com/2...me-bad-habits/

[troutman]

Originally Posted by codynw

Hall puts up more than enough points to justify his cap hit. Not sure if I would say the same about RNH, but Hall would be easy to trade.

I don't know - the young stars seem to be giving up 1.5 points for every point they score at even strength?