Flames assign Sven Baertschi to the Heat

[Coach]

Originally Posted by calgARI

Is it faster there than the NHL?

It's slower. Needed to get used to having more time.

[CaptainCrunch]

Did anyone else think that Sven sounded slightly constipated?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Did anyone else think that Sven sounded slightly constipated?

Seriously!?
"Sven has an attitude problem!"
"Sven is constipated!"

People will use ANY excuse to justify trading Sven! It's ridiculous!!

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by strombad

Seriously!?
"Sven has an attitude problem!"
"Sven is constipated!"

People will use ANY excuse to justify trading Sven! It's ridiculous!!

I think he's alluding to the fact that he hasn't had a regular "shift" during his time in the NHL

[Vulcan]

At least for Sven, some things are the same in Abbotsford.

Boring Sean Monahan ‏@boringmonahan 2h Sven Baertschi just text me to tell me that they are using the same water bottles in Abbotsford as we use in Calgary.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by strombad

Seriously!?
"Sven has an attitude problem!"
"Sven is constipated!"

People will use ANY excuse to justify trading Sven! It's ridiculous!!

Man clearly there needs to be green text again.

I was joking, someone said he sounds mad, someone said he sounds sad, someone said he sounds frustrated. I added constipated.

And for the hearing impaired.

[BigFlameDog]

Guys I think Strombad just trolled y'all

[Poe969]

We need the "that's the joke" picture

[strombad]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Man clearly there needs to be green text again.

I was joking, someone said he sounds mad, someone said he sounds sad, someone said he sounds frustrated. I added constipated.

And for the hearing impaired.

The irony.

The joke that went over your head made you think that your joke had gone over someone's head. The circle of life is complete.

[CaptainCrunch]

[saillias]

Mine I thought was an obvious joke too fwiw.

I was trying to make it look like an rmillions tweet.

[nemanja2306]

We all preach about how the Flames should have been patient with St. Louis, well, let's practice that a little bit on Sven before we ship him out and declare him a bust.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Nehkara

I don't think the Flames should trade him. He is a talented player and has a lot of great assets. My reasoning here is not that he is untouchable, because he isn't and shouldn't be... it's that what you would get for him in trade right now is not remotely what he could be worth to the organization down the road when he gets more confidence and maturity to his game.

The flip-side is that if he doesn't turn his game around, he'll be worth less in a year than he is now.

I'm not suggesting he should be traded. But first-rounders tend to bust gradually, and sound asset management - if management believes he isn't going to turn it around - would be to move him sooner rather than later.

[Bourque's Twin]

It seems like Sven may fear that he will get a concussion if he gets hit again. He is probably still experiencing symptoms on and off. It could take him a while to get back to full speed.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The flip-side is that if he doesn't turn his game around, he'll be worth less in a year than he is now.

I'm not suggesting he should be traded. But first-rounders tend to bust gradually, and sound asset management - if management believes he isn't going to turn it around - would be to move him sooner rather than later.

Completely disagree.

If you want to have success, you have to have 4 or 5 top quality guys.

There is a chance that Sven develops into that. But with what you would get by trading him now, there would be less chance. The only way you would retain as much upside would be in a swap of similar players - high upside but struggling and the likelihood of success waning.

And what would be the point of that? Why not just work with the one you've got?

The biggest variable in asset management, and the one that carries the most potential impact for a team, is the development of top level players from secondary prospects and lower draft picks. Obviously Sven wasn't a lower draft pick at 13, but his current status is now second tier. The best possible asset management is developing him into a solid player.

If it doesn't work out, the opportunity cost (what we could get for him in a trade today) is not that high.

Edit: giving up on young players early is a trademark of perennial bottom-dwellers like Florida and Atlanta

[saXon]

Looking at the 2011 draft class, Sven hasn't done all that bad in the NHL. For those worried about his progression, I wouldn't worry too much. Looking at some of the names around and below Sven who remain NHL regulars, it's quite reassuring.



http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

Don't be so hasty to give up on the kid yet.

[FlameZilla]

Sven's going to be fine.

I don't think he's 1st-line talent, but he'll be a top 6 forward soon enough.

[sun]

Originally Posted by saXon

Looking at the 2011 draft class, Sven hasn't done all that bad in the NHL. For those worried about his progression, I wouldn't worry too much. Looking at some of the names around and below Sven who remain NHL regulars, it's quite reassuring.



http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

Don't be so hasty to give up on the kid yet.

Goddammit chicago

[getbak]

Originally Posted by sun

Goddammit chicago

Crazy thing is that Saad was their 4th pick of the draft and Shaw was their 8th. It really shows the value of stocking up on draft picks.

[stignasty]

Originally Posted by getbak

Crazy thing is that Saad was their 4th pick of the draft and Shaw was their 8th. It really shows the value of stocking up on draft picks.

...and the value of scouting.