Line brawl & Crazy Torts - Aftermath

[Maritime Q-Scout]

Originally Posted by foshizzle11

So 15 day suspension for Torts. Why isn't it games like players get?

I'd say because the coach affects the outcome of games outside of the game itself.

He's hired to help the team via practices, video review, theory, strategy, etc.

His job affects the play of the players in their preparation, and then guides their execution during the actual game.

A player's job is to follow the coach, that can be done without the coach behind the bench.

If a coach was suspended just for games, he could run the practices, set the strategy, go over the video, and tell the assistants what he wants to have happen during the game. The assistants can then just follow the game plan and contingencies outlined by the coach.

If a player is suspended for a game, being in practice doesn't have the same impact as if the coach is/isn't there.

[Stanley]

So essentially it's 25k fine for baiting and embarassing the other coach...
Good job NHL.

[Coach]

Yeah I'm not sure how Hartley earns a fine here. So is he never allowed to start Brian McGrattan? That makes no sense. He is a hockey player emplyed by the Flames, right?

[OzSome]

Why is this embarrassment of reporter Bruce Dowbiggin is still around? I thought he already dissapeared and moved somewhere? I was watching the Global Morning News and they were talking about the suspension of Torts and Hartley getting fined. Then they should Burkie's comment about how he backs up his coach and so and so. Then they showed Dowboy's interview and he was saying Burkie out to get the Canucks because he doesn't like them and he was fired by them before. I just thought, "What the F is he talking about?" I cannot stand Dowboy as much as Eric Francis and Steve Simmons.

I thought Torts got off easy with just 6 games but I guess I am fine with it. As for Hartley, I still think there was no intention of starting the brawl until Torts countered with his goons. I think the reason why he got fined was having to put Westgarth to take the face-off. If Blair Jones, which is a centre on that line took the faceoff, Hartley probably didn't get penalized.

[You Need a Thneed]

Originally Posted by Thor

Good job guys! You made the news in Iceland!

http://www.visir.is/slagsmal-ut-um-a.../2014140118760

Originally Posted by Google Translate

Only two seconds went by in the early game Vancouver Canucks and Calgary Flames before the fighting started with players pass. A total of eight players were sent in skammarkrókinn when two seconds into the game. Much rivalry between the teams that come from the two largest cities in western Canada who share different political views. Vancouver Canucks won the game 3-2 but it was not what was debated after the match, but the first seconds of the game. Seeing is believing and you can see a video of this below.

I like how this is an important thing to say.

[Galakanokis]

Originally Posted by Stanley

So essentially it's 25k fine for baiting and embarassing the other coach...
Good job NHL.

That's what I said to a friend. He asked me what Hartley got the fine for and replied for making a fool out if Torts.

[Passe La Puck]

Different political views as in we don't believe setting the city on fire is good civic fun while, well you know the rest.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Galakanokis

That's what I said to a friend. He asked me what Hartley got the fine for and replied for making a fool out if Torts.

Come on now. Everyone outside of Flames fans know Hartley is responsible for this mess. The same way Torts was responsible for the New York New Jersey line brawl a couple years back by sending his enforcers out. Everyone and anyone knew there was going to be fights no matter who went out against McGratten and Westgarth etc..

[Galakanokis]

Nah. You know how I know? The fact that Westgarth did not fight the guy in front of him. Absolutely no way Grats and Garth fight the Sedins or Burrows, or Booth if they lined up in front of them and turtled. Proof was on the ice.

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Come on now. Everyone outside of Flames fans know Hartley is responsible for this mess. The same way Torts was responsible for the New York New Jersey line brawl a couple years back by sending his enforcers out. Everyone and anyone knew there was going to be fights no matter who went out against McGratten and Westgarth etc..

Not Really. McGratten doesn't jump and fight non fighters. Westgarth did jump Bieska but didn't throw punches and backed off when he didn't want to fight. Weise came up to Butler and asked him to go. Bieska went out and sought out Smid. What escalated everything was Beiska going to center and taking the draw. Had he not gone I bet the only fight would have been Siesto and McGratten.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Come on now. Everyone outside of Flames fans know Hartley is responsible for this mess. The same way Torts was responsible for the New York New Jersey line brawl a couple years back by sending his enforcers out. Everyone and anyone knew there was going to be fights no matter who went out against McGratten and Westgarth etc..

Shows a complete misunderstanding of the game of hockey, but nice try.

There's only one incident I can remember in recent history that has a goon attacking a talented player - and it was Scott Vs. Kessel, and it was a gong show. Kessel did well in protecting himself. It does not happen often, and McGrattan is one of the more respected "goons" in the league because he lives by that often criticized but very real unspoken code among players.

So, no - McGrattan and Westgarth would not have tackled the Sedins, and anyone who believes they would have isn't paying attention to the NHL and is just making noise for the sake of noise.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Robbob

Not Really. McGratten doesn't jump and fight non fighters. Westgarth did jump Bieska but didn't throw punches and backed off when he didn't want to fight. Weise came up to Butler and asked him to go. Bieska went out and sought out Smid. What escalated everything was Beiska going to center and taking the draw. Had he not gone I bet the only fight would have been Siesto and McGratten.

The same way John Scott didn't jump non-fighters before the kessel incident. To think these guys didn't have any direction from Hartley is being very naive.

[Badgers Nose]

$25k is crazy. NHL is so subjective. Hartley can play whoever he wants. Nothing In the rules to the contrary. NHL can not prove the intent was there to goon VCR's players.


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[IamNotKenKing]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The same way John Scott didn't jump non-fighters before the kessel incident. To think these guys didn't have any direction from Hartley is being very naive.

You are wrong. End of story.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The same way John Scott didn't jump non-fighters before the kessel incident. To think these guys didn't have any direction from Hartley is being very naive.

Is it? Why? They're the fourth line.
You'd think if that were true this would be a more common occurrence. I'd say it's far more likely that Hartley told them not to let the Flames get pushed around, considering Vancouver's penchant for dirty play over the past week.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Weitz

The same way John Scott didn't jump non-fighters before the kessel incident. To think these guys didn't have any direction from Hartley is being very naive.

to think that Torts didn't gather that collection of cement heads of his before the opening faceoff and tell them not to get punked out or embarressed in front of his home town fans is even more naive on your part.

While Hartley put his guys out and if he truly wanted a brawl why did he have Butler on instead of SOB?

Hartley made Torts dance to his tune but to think that torts wasn't a more then willing participant in this is weird thinking.

[puckedoff]

I hope next time Flames/Canucks meet, Hartley starts the fourth line (with an actual Centerman) and instructs them explicitly NOT to scrum or fight at all on that first shift. Lulz would be had.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by strombad

Is it? Why? They're the fourth line.
You'd think if that were true this would be a more common occurrence. I'd say it's far more likely that Hartley told them not to let the Flames get pushed around, considering Vancouver's penchant for dirty play over the past week.

This is the big thing, the Canucks had been playing some ugly hockey, they were frustrated and they'd been playing pretty dirty hockey for the last little while. Maybe Hartley said there was no way he was going to put his first line out there with Torts getting the lineup sheet first.

Personally this whole thing is on Torts the blowhard, hope he enjoys his time off. I feel sorry for Edmonton tonight, they might be facing a frustrated Canucks team.

[squiggs96]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Come on now. Everyone outside of Flames fans know Hartley is responsible for this mess. The same way Torts was responsible for the New York New Jersey line brawl a couple years back by sending his enforcers out. Everyone and anyone knew there was going to be fights no matter who went out against McGratten and Westgarth etc..

Westgarth did not throw a punch against Bieksa when Bieksa wouldn't drop the gloves. If Bieksa just holds on there and refuses to go, there are only two fights. McGrattan and Sestito nodded to each other as soon as they were out there. Jones and Weiss talked quite a bit, and as soon as the puck dropped they both backed up and dropped the gloves. That's all that happens if Bieksa just stays at centre ice. Westgarth might even get tossed for trying to fight an unwilling combatant (fight ducker).

It only escalated when Bieksa takes a straight line at Smid, even as he's being held by the linesman. They start to fight and Smid drops Bieksa on his ass. Lain goes near Westgarth and drops his gloves, so those two fight. Garrison and Butler look at each other and realize they are the only two not fighting, so they drop. The last three fights are all tied to Bieksa's actions.

Even after the fights were over you see Sestito and McGrattan pat each other on the head and no cheap shots were thrown. Jones and Weiss skate beside each other to the box as soon as it was broken up. There weren't any bad punches and it was all agreed to.

There is zero chance McGrattan would ever fight a Sedin. I haven't watched all of the games but I know this year it's Vancouver that's had players ejected for their players trying to fight unwilling combatants. Even when the opposing player refuses to take off his gloves, the canuck players continued to throw punches. Calgary has not done that.

[moon]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah I'm not sure how Hartley earns a fine here. So is he never allowed to start Brian McGrattan? That makes no sense. He is a hockey player emplyed by the Flames, right?

He can start whoever he wants and start those 3 guys and SOB and Breen for the rest of the season if he wants.

What he can't do is start guys and have one of them ignore the FO and drop his gloves half a second after the puck dropped. Then having the other 4 guys fight as well.

What makes no sense is that people keep harping on him not being allowed to start who he wants when that had nothing to do with the fine.