Line brawl & Crazy Torts - Aftermath

[Robbob]

anyone know off hand the player selection fine buffalo got earlier this year?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Robbob

anyone know off hand the player selection fine buffalo got earlier this year?

10K I believe

[Robbob]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

10K I believe

25k is a little much if that is the case

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Robbob

25k is a little much if that is the case

Definitely, not half as bad as that, and I disagreed with that fine too. If Tortorella's antics didn't turn it into a media frenzy nothing would have happened.

Maybe that was his plan all along? Drag the spotlight over so Hartley gets fined

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Brawls ARE outlawed. Why do you think eight players were ejected?

Not to the point of supplementary discipline, or at least not in any cases that I remember. They didn't want more than one fight going on, players got booted, fine, end of story. But when has a team and/or coach been punished in the past for this?

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

good to see the Flames management back Hartley I would expect nothing less from Burke. As a fan I support Hartley' decision to go with the 4th line. He gained the upperhand for the game. His team played as a team for one another and they battled every shift.
Hartley went with his gut that the turd Torts would take the bait.
Torts could have very easily flipped the script on Hartley and had his 1st line go out and try to get an early goal and put the the visiting Flames in a bad early situation.
Many coaches would not so easily fallen for that laid trap.
As for Burkes comment it was well said.

Hartley out coached Torts.

should have ended the whole thing by smirking, yelling Truculance snapped his fingers and said "We're outtie"

[btimbit]

WTF Torts is only suspended from games, not practices.

[Aeneas]

Originally Posted by looooob

"you know, the Badger Bob era, the guy, he thought way too much, and he was so far ahead of his time with thinking. You mentioned the line brawl. I remember it was one of the last games we were playing the regular season in Edmonton, and, of course, the visiting team has to put in their starting lineup.
He liked to mess with Sather's head and tick him off by delaying as long as possible before giving a starting lineup, and who does he start? Up front: Tim Hunter, Neil Sheehy, Nick Fotiu. That's the starting three forwards, and I think we had Terry Johnson and Charlie Bourgeois on defence, our five toughest by far guys. 

So from the story I hear when they handed that over to Sather, Sather went ballistic when he saw because he delayed giving it to him. So Sather got it and went ballistic. Of course, he starts all his toughest guys, and what do they do? They dance right away. But that kind of stuff, can you imagine a coach doing that now? You'd be suspended."


http://http://flamesnation.ca/2012/3...tle-of-alberta


Looooob sez " of course Berezan's memory is likely a bit fuzzy here as Johnson and Bourgeois were traded for one another, I suspect someone knows who the other dman was on that play ...."

The game I remember was in Calgary because I saw it live. The brawl did not start right away, Fotiu and Hunter changed then the fights happened. Hunter v McSorley, Otto v Semenko, Peplinski v Lowe (I think). Crazy game, think Flames won by a touchdown, think Sather got ejected. Pandemonium in the dome.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Henry Fool

I think a lot of energy has been spent on muddying the issue to make it seem like there were two equal culprits, Tortorella and Hartley. And unsurprisingly it kind of worked, judging by how the incident is now being discussed. Rather than focusing on Tortorella's obvious anger issues, people are engaged in an 'on one hand, one the other hand' type of debate where Hartley started something and Tortorella simply went a little too far in protecting his team.

Not sure how you come to that conclusion

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by btimbit

WTF Torts is only suspended from games, not practices.

That is incorrect

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=7...d=nhl:topheads

Mr. Tortorella's suspension is effective retroactive to January 19 and runs through Sunday, Feb. 2. He will miss six games. He is not permitted to have any interaction with his club prior to, during or after games.

[btimbit]

Odd, sportsnet said it was just for games after the Flames game tonight.

Edit: That quote says "Prior to, during, or after games" but doesn't mention stuff like practices or off days

[Drury18]

While trying to find the official NHL rules on Coaches suspension I came across this:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26336

46.20 Fines and Suspensions – Fighting Other Than During the Periods of the Game - Any teams whose players become involved in an altercation, other than during the periods of the game, shall be fined automatically twenty-five thousand dollars ($25,000) in addition to any other appropriate penalties that may be imposed upon the participating players by supplementary discipline or otherwise.

Any player who would be deemed to be an instigator pursuant to this ruleat a time other than during the periods of the game shall be suspended automatically for ten (10) games. Such determination may be made by the Referee at the time of the incident or subsequently by the Commissioner or his designee based upon such reports and other information as he deems sufficient, including but not limited to television tapes.

Fine matches the amount Hartley got. I wonder if that's the rule we got dinged under.

[Henry Fool]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Not sure how you come to that conclusion

By listening to what people have said since the incident. I don't mean here, I mean in general. It was a clear cut case but there was a constant effort to place Hartley in the same discussion.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Drury18

While trying to find the official NHL rules on Coaches suspension I came across this:

http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26336



Fine matches the amount Hartley got. I wonder if that's the rule we got dinged under.

Ya makes sense . Could it be when Hartley poked his head around the corner to say " Go ###### yorself " ? Or mabey Hartley took the blunt of it for Malarchuk ? It's a stretch I know but maybe he said ya punish me instead He's part of my staff?

[Thor]

Good job guys! You made the news in Iceland!

http://www.visir.is/slagsmal-ut-um-a.../2014140118760

[Ben_in_Canada]

Originally Posted by Thor

Good job guys! You made the news in Iceland!

http://www.visir.is/slagsmal-ut-um-a.../2014140118760

Odd that the comments section is in English..

[Thor]

lol Icelander's sometimes like to do that.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Honestly, the best thing about this whole incident, other than making a January game awesome, was that Hartley baited Tortorella and Torts swallowed the whole thing.

Then, when Torts went nuts, Hartley totally ignored him, knowing that would drive Torts off the deep end.

Pure gold by Hartley.

So in your scenario, Hartley baited and/or provoked Torts whether through action or inaction. Hartley behaved appropriately. All he did was started the 4th line, which scored last game and can bring energy that game.

[foshizzle11]

So 15 day suspension for Torts. Why isn't it games like players get?

[$ven27]

15 day, 6 games. Same thing