Anyone else getting tired of "nothing" ?

[Phil Russell]

Originally Posted by fotze

WE need one of those political cartoonist with Murray Edwards hand up the puppet-arse of Burke whose hand is up the puppet-arse of the new GM.

I was originally on the keep Sven up crew, but his terrible giving up style of play down there proves it needed to be done. He has put in thousands upon thousands of hours, moved away from family at 17 years of age, then the prospect of being sent to (a decently sized city) for a period of a few weeks to months just makes him give up? An NHL career is right in the palm of your hands.

Sven, Mike Cammalleri played in the AHL for 3 seasons AFTER 3 seasons in college. He makes $6 Million per year. You have all the tools to make it happen.

I guess being the best player ever (potentially) in your country to play a sport might go to your head.

Or, Sven, like a thousand rookies before him, is struggling to transition to the pro game. Since none of us have any evidence that he has given up or that he's a prima donna, I'll go with my theory.

[Mr.Coffee]

As I note in the other thread Sven will be fine. He needs to grow into his body (maturation will occur naturally further into his early 20's) and he needs simply time in the pro landscape. Then he will begin to be a key player for whichever team has him.

I don't think he's given up, but he is busy pouting, and that will also change as he matures.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Well played.

The dumb idea that rebuilding means we should all just learn to love losing drives me nuts. It's become the easy, meaningless answer to everything. But technically you got me. 3 of them we're gimmes and one was useless, but Burke has done all those things.

Product and fans be damned he's earned the right to coast til march.

You think he's just up there coasting....drinking lattes' and Facebook chatting with his buddies...big dip in his mouth just laughing at King and Murray for giving him a job where he doesn't have to do anything?

And no you don't have to learn to "love" to lose that's ridiculous....but you need to learn to get used to it because that is what the next couple years is going to be about.

You are in for a rough ride......and so are the rest of us apparently.

[Locke]

I havent read the whole thread, but yeah, this is pretty much what I expected from this season.

And, brace yourselves, next season isnt going to be a whole lot better.

This is rebuilding. We bought the ticket, time to take the ride.

[bluloc]

Rebuild takes time there Einstein. I'm glad that he has done nothing crazy.

[MissTeeks]

I can't decide if this place makes me want to go buy some kool-aid or hate it forever. Isn't there another term people could use when fighing over this stuff?

[flamesfever]

I understand every good reason for keeping Sven in the minors at this period of time. However, wanting something, rather than nothing, to get excited about at games, I believe that bringing him up to play with Monahan, would not interfere with his development, and at the same time would add to our enjoyment of the game. For anyone paying the price to watch the recent display at the dome, it's like throwing money out the window.

The only knock I have against Burke is his bias towards bigger players. We had enough of that with Sutter for too many years. And I feel his treatment of Sven by calling him out in public, and continually benching him, was a detriment to this team.

[Northendzone]

Rebuild, I thought this was a reload.......now i am really frustrated......make some trades.......

i thought Francis had a point about Hudler.......I'd also expect Hudler is not used to losing as that did not happen a lot in Detriot

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Northendzone

Rebuild, I thought this was a reload.......now i am really frustrated......make some trades.......

i thought Francis had a point about Hudler.......I'd also expect Hudler is not used to losing as that did not happen a lot in Detriot

He'll have to cry in his $4M/year. That money likely wasnt being offered in a lot of places. I personally think hes worth it and am glad we have him.

[Burke Salad]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

I can't decide if this place makes me want to go buy some kool-aid or hate it forever. Isn't there another term people could use when fighing over this stuff?

I love kool-aid as well, lets change the term to ovaltine.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Regarding Hudler: If he blew a tire, how do we know it wasn't a skate blade issue that he stormed down the hallway to have fixed. It's a pretty big assumption to say he was quitting on the team, considering how consistent he has been for the team this year.

Regarding Rebuild: The next round of moves aren't going to make the team much more enjoyable to watch. Be careful what you wish for. This is NOT rock bottom.

[stignasty]

Do you think the Flames should be making moves just for the sake of making moves? If that's the case we just missed out on Pinizzotto and Combs.

It might be a good idea to have a GM before we do anything anyway.

[Hackey]

Burke will have a chance to prove himself around deadline time, at the draft and during the off season. Until then I'm completely fine with the way things are going. Seeing what posts are getting the thanks in this thread is reassuring to me as a fan though. I want this rebuild done right and I'm glad the irrational knee jerk fans are the minority.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by T@T

He was ready enough to end last season on a 7 game point streak. Please explain how the AHL is better for his developement then the rebuilding Flames?

Sorry, I don't drink the Burke/Hartley kool aid.

His doing well last season has no bearing on how well he's done this season.

Why will he develop better in the AHL? It's a lower level league. So he'll get more playing time. He should be able to put up points and regain his offensive confidence. He should be able to work on the weaknesses of his game with Ward without being benched when he makes mistakes. He should be able to develop chemistry with our other prospects. He should be able to experience winning and success down there, which isn't possible up here . Plenty of obvious reasons, not sure why you're being intentionally obtuse about them. There's a reason why very successful organizations like Detroit let their best prospects spend a year or two or three in the minors.

I don't drink kool-aid either. Are you trying to insinuate that everyone who doesn't think Sven is ready is somehow brainwashed? Stupid and insulting suggestion if that's what you were trying to say

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Igster

I'm kinda with the OP. Hopefully there are a bunch of things on the go behind the scenes that we don't know about and will come to fruition soon. I don't expect any blockbusters or quick fixes, just a few UFA's out the door for prospects/picks/etc.

As it has been stated many times already you don't make these trades until the deadline. That is when teams are willing to pay max value. That's when you get multiple offers. Were trying to maximize our few assets here so let's wait for the optimal time to do that.

[Stay Golden]

If the Flames can muster up just 1 win vs Van in regulation and those 2 pts cost the Twins and rest of those cupcakes making the playoffs then this season has been worth being in the basement.
The Flames and Hartley should be approaching those games with the attitude let's piss off our rivals and ruin their chances.

[flamesfever]

nm

[macrov]

You know what I got tired of?

2002 - Missed Playoffs - 10th Overall - Eric Nystrom
2001 - Missed Playoffs - 14th Overall - Chuck Kobasew
2000 - Missed Playoffs - 9th Overall - Brent Krahn
1999 - Missed Playoffs - 11th Overall - Oleg Saprykin
1998 - Missed Playoffs - 6th Overall - Rico Fata
1997 - Missed Playoffs - 6th Overall - Daniel Tkaczuk


You know what I'm not going to get tired of any time soon?
2013 - Missed Playoffs - 6th, 22nd, 28th Overall -Monahan, Porier, Kliminchuk
2014 - Missed Playoffs - top 3 Overall - Reinhart, Ekblad, or Bennett
2015 - Missed Playoffs - top 2 Overall - McDavid or Eichel

All your top prospects are belong to us.

[hummdeedoo]

Originally Posted by macrov

You know what I got tired of?

2002 - Missed Playoffs - 10th Overall - Eric Nystrom
2001 - Missed Playoffs - 14th Overall - Chuck Kobasew
2000 - Missed Playoffs - 9th Overall - Brent Krahn
1999 - Missed Playoffs - 11th Overall - Oleg Saprykin
1998 - Missed Playoffs - 6th Overall - Rico Fata
1997 - Missed Playoffs - 6th Overall - Daniel Tkaczuk

This just shows how poorly the Flames have drafted over the those years. There are plenty of good players that the Flames could have selected - Check it out:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/index.html

Where they finished in the standings has less to do with it than how poorly they did their homework.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Rebuild = GM vacation?

29 other teams are trying to get better every day. Well buffalo is debatable.

The good ones draft, develop, sign and trade over a decade to build a winner.

The dumb ones sit around doing nothing, waiting for losing to hit puberty and become winning.

I think you'll see plenty of patience when the rebuild starts actually building something positive. So far it seems all the flames have built is a wonderfully oiler-ish attitude that losing is just a-ok.

Seriously? Burke has been on the job for 36 days in the middle of the season, and is getting critisized for not drafting anyone yet? He has signed a few prospects.

What makes you think losing is ok? Would you rather he make a bunch of trades to build the team how he wants, before he hires a GM in the summer? Or would you rather he give the next GM the best setup he can? Or are you worried that he hasn't made any draft picks since Dec 12? He has made a callup from the minor league team.

Its funny, if Burke made a whole bunch of trades, all the complaining would be that he wants to be a GM and its proof he just wants a puppet, or that he's a control freak or whatever. If he does little transactions, he's accused of coasting and trying to lose on purpose.