So yeah.. We need to make a change, what should it be?

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The Flames are -42. It should be expected that there will be some pretty crappy +/- on our team.

GM's aren't trading for players based on +/-. Only on messageboards is that a determiner of player values.

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Baertschi wasn't really developing well up here. He wasn't playing well enough to hold his spot. Monahan has been much more consistent than Sven.

And so far Sven hasn't done enough in Abby to warrant a recall either.

Hey, this is the "we need to do something, but what?" thread, you're looking for the "we shouldn't do anything thread".

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

There's so much deadweight on this team, it's ridiculous. Seriously, which non-injured Flames players would you actually pay to watch hockey, if you could pick and choose?

For me, that list starts and ends with Giordano.

They need to get rid of some of the useless checked-out vets and replace them with the likes of Granlund and Baertschi. It looks like the decision had been made to keep Monahan in the midst of this mess, so why not bring up a few of his buds?

It's going to be a long few years of rebuilding, but there should be some entertainment value to it. It's a game,FFS.

I'm willing to bet the vets are looking over thier shoulders waiting for that trade to happen. I don't know if they've checked out but have to wonder if the thought of a trade has become a huge distraction. Feaster is let go and that calming message given to the players is repleced with one from an impatient man who seems ready to make a bunch of trades.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

The Flames are -42. It should be expected that there will be some pretty crappy +/- on our team.

GM's aren't trading for players based on +/-. Only on messageboards is that a determiner of player values.

I doubt Burke can hustle another package for stajan plus junk again though, Darryl isn't a gm anymore. Posters who don't believe much value can be had via trade have valid reasons, imo.

[ranchlandsselling]

If people honestly can't handle this don't watch. Like Transplant said at the start, this is what so many wanted.

I barely watch games this year, I think I've only watched live. Last few years there was always a bit of hope that they'd get it together. Man, so many wasted nights, hours of just getting up from TV and thinking "I want my three hours back". Now I check here or nhl.com smile if someone young scores and otherwise find better things to do. I know some people might want to watch, but if you can't handle it (I can, just don't care to watch bad hockey) then don't watch.

[Ashasx]

I don't even know who I'd replace Hartley with.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I would agree with this if Stempniak, Jones, and Galiardi were doing anything to earn keeping their spots.

Burke is probably looking at trading those 3 as opposed to possibly losing one or all of them on waivers.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't even know who I'd replace Hartley with.

I think our problems go way beyond who is coaching this team. That said i'd like Ward up here if Hartley was to be let go.

[ranchlandsselling]

Originally Posted by ranchlandsselling

If people honestly can't handle this don't watch. Like Transplant said at the start, this is what so many wanted.

I barely watch games this year, I think I've only watched live. Last few years there was always a bit of hope that they'd get it together. Man, so many wasted nights, hours of just getting up from TV and thinking "I want my three hours back". Now I check here or nhl.com smile if someone young scores and otherwise find better things to do. I know some people might want to watch, but if you can't handle it (I can, just don't care to watch bad hockey) then don't watch.

Actually this thread has been relatively tame other than the first post - so my above post isn't really applicable. That said, it probably would be in the PGT. Colour me surprised.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by browna

Tough call...with 3 Flames games (most team's don't have any more) after the break and before the deadline won't make a big deal.

One would think it more advantageous to get those players to the team before the break, to give them that two weeks to get settled to the new city. That means trades (as the TOR/CAL deal with Phaneuf 4 years ago) within the next 3 weeks.

As far as coach....say want you want about the roster, the compete....fact iis he was never meant to coach a rebuilding team...and now with goals in 2 of their last 7 games, although not his complete fault it's showing he's run out of ideas and players are tuning him and his ideas out.

I doubt there will be many players heading back to Calgary at the deadline but more than a couple heading out...so none of that settling in stuff really matters at this end.

Trade values are always higher as the TD closes in....on top of which there is a trade freeze during the Olys so Burke and his brethern will have that time to swing deals...and in Burkes case hopefully start teams bidding against one another for whomever is getting dealt.

As for Hartley i dont think the team has tuned him out at all....but even if they have, again, firing him now makes no sense. This teams next coach is not likely available til the season ends/summer anyhow, so forcing them to learn a whole new system this year only to have it change once again come September is almost counter productive.

Its a rebuild....complete and total. Those rarely are anything but ugly and now that the reality of it is showing, people want changes. There really is nothing to change right now that will make the difference people want to see.

[JobHopper]

I posted this in the PGT, I suppose it fits here too.

I believe we're at a crossroads here and breaking point so to speak now.

What has to happen is a coaching change and a big deal for an impact player, even if the Flames include some draft picks and current prospects.

I like Hartley but it's just not working.

You still have to ice a team that can play the scheduled games in the NHL here.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Dion

Burke is probably looking at trading those 3 as opposed to possibly losing one or all of them on waivers.

Who said anything about waivers?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

I would agree with this if Stempniak, Jones, and Galiardi were doing anything to earn keeping their spots.

Great. But decisions shouldn't be made based solely on satisfying fan's desires. Decisions should be made based on what is best for our young players. If we want Baertschi to develop into a star then letting him dominate the AHL and get his game back there is probably the best thing for him long term.

The trade deadline will come and we will likely deal a lot of these losers. At that point we will see the best young players in Abby. I know it's going to be painful between now and then but there's no point rushing the process.

In fact you can argue it may hurt the kids to have more of them up here right now learning how to lose. Hopefully Monahan isn't affected by it. I'd rather have the kids in Abby playing together and developing together. But of course I'm not a STH this year.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't even know who I'd replace Hartley with.

After suffering through 3 seasons of Brent, I don't care if he stays or goes. Get Hartley a Regehr, Phaneuf, langkow, and Iginla and his team would be making more noise.

[Vinny01]

Hartley is safe until the summer Burke said as much when he fired Feaster

I am just hoping we are beneficiaries of a "burkebuster" trade this season where he just fleeces a team. I am looking forward to when the vets are moved and some kids from Abby get called up.

I think the most excitement will come at the draft though. I believe Burke will load up on assets and be aggressive in acquiring a few new core pieces

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Who said anything about waivers?

Don't you need to send players down to open a roster space?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Otto29

Fire Burke! Since he took over the Flames have tanked

which is the best thing that could have happened

[flamesfan1297]

Trade stajan, cammalari, d.jonesa, stempniak, glencross, and butler. Trade em all for picks\prospects. This way we have lots of picks and get younger. It also frees up space for the young guys to play.
Keep Hartley and fire him in the summer
We also need some goaltending

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Hartley is safe until the summer Burke said as much when he fired Feaster

I am just hoping we are beneficiaries of a "burkebuster" trade this season where he just fleeces a team. I am looking forward to when the vets are moved and some kids from Abby get called up.

I think the most excitement will come at the draft though. I believe Burke will load up on assets and be aggressive in acquiring a few new core pieces

Burke is going to let the new GM bring in his own guys.

[timbit]

Personally, not one iota surprised at where the team is trending.

Was quite taken aback by their start.

As hard as it is to believe, they should be markedly worse next season.

Stay the course. Draft many, draft well and develop well. Trade well to garner as many picks as possible.

This is not going to be pretty.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by dino7c

which is the best thing that could have happened

Well, not for the trade value of our rentals.