01-05-2014, 04:12 AM
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#81
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Originally Posted by Da_Chief
We're getting a top 3 pick; One of Reinhart, Ekblad or Del Colle.
This team is bad and will only get worse as the vets are sold.
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Sounds a lot like when we were slotting in MacKinnon in the lineup.
The thing is even during this slump they only just fell below the Islanders and still have games in hand. Buffalo and Edmonton are simply terrible and there's greater odds that the lottery pushes a bottom 3 team out of the top 3 draft positions since it's revamp.
And with the Islanders they'll possibly be looking at moving Vanek, Nabokov and maybe even Visnovsky who are probably helping them a lot more than Cammalleri and friends are helping the Flames at this point.
And maybe more worrisome is Florida. They simply get things done when it's time to pack it in. Both 2002 and 2003 saw them drop heavily and ultimately end up with the 1st overall pick before trading it. 2003 was especially impressive as they were in a playoff position in January and there were 14 teams below them. When it comes to tank Florida knows how to tank.
Flames will be in tight to compete with these terrible franchises.
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01-05-2014, 08:11 AM
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#82
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The best way to inspire a late-season surge is to rotate in a bunch of hungry rookies on 6-7 game NHL trials.
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01-05-2014, 10:19 AM
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#83
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#1 Goaltender
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Even if the Flames don't draft in the top 2-3 I don't know if it is that big of a deal. What I saw from Ekblad and Reinhart in the WJC neither of them impressed me really that much, especially Reinhart. Maybe there isn't such a clear cut top 3 in this draft class like there usually is.
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01-05-2014, 10:31 AM
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#84
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Realistically, if we get any of Draisaitl, Bennett, Dal Colle, or Reinhart, we will have improved the team significantly.
This year doesn't have the depth last year had at the top. Monahan would likely be top 3 this year, so we should be expecting someone in the same ballpark talent wise. This year, you have a RW, LW, D and 2 C in the top 5 and they are all highish end guys. With selecting any one of them, we are addressing our first line somewhere, or if C then our 2nd line (either Monahan drops or the new guy takes the #2 spot)
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01-05-2014, 10:38 AM
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#85
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Caged Great
Realistically, if we get any of Draisaitl, Bennett, Dal Colle, or Reinhart, we will have improved the team significantly.
This year doesn't have the depth last year had at the top. Monahan would likely be top 3 this year, so we should be expecting someone in the same ballpark talent wise. This year, you have a RW, LW, D and 2 C in the top 5 and they are all highish end guys. With selecting any one of them, we are addressing our first line somewhere, or if C then our 2nd line (either Monahan drops or the new guy takes the #2 spot)
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Who's the RW expected to go in the top-5? The earliest one I've seen is Conner Bleackley, but he's usually somewhere in the 10-15 range from what I've seen.
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01-05-2014, 10:40 AM
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#86
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Saqe
Even if the Flames don't draft in the top 2-3 I don't know if it is that big of a deal. What I saw from Ekblad and Reinhart in the WJC neither of them impressed me really that much, especially Reinhart. Maybe there isn't such a clear cut top 3 in this draft class like there usually is.
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The WJC is a 19 year old's tournament. Ekblad was still mandated to wear a birdcage. The mere fact that he was there and getting the assignments that he was speaks volumes about where he's at in his development.
Reinhart was Meh but given how mcdavid was also deployed, let's not act like we got to see the best these kids have to offer.
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01-05-2014, 10:42 AM
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#87
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodlad
Who's the RW expected to go in the top-5? The earliest one I've seen is Conner Bleackley, but he's usually somewhere in the 10-15 range from what I've seen.
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I assume he is talking about Nylander... he is playing wing in the Swedish men's leagues.
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01-05-2014, 10:45 AM
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#88
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Yeah, I can't believe how much I'm reading about disappointment in Ekblad and Reinhart because of this tourney.
Ekblad is a 17 year old, he played great IMO for being so young, and while Reinhart is a '95 (18) he's a late '95 birth date, so pretty young for this tourney as well. (Only 3 months older than Ekblad)
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01-05-2014, 10:47 AM
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#89
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Ekblad played well, not great but not terrible. I assume he will be there next year and I'm guessing he'll be even better by then
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01-05-2014, 10:48 AM
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#90
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MacKinnon was a 4th liner with 1 point last year. Monahan didn't even make that team. It's not an easy tournament for even the best 18 year olds.
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01-05-2014, 10:49 AM
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#91
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy
Yeah, I can't believe how much I'm reading about disappointment in Ekblad and Reinhart because of this tourney.
Ekblad is a 17 year old, he played great IMO for being so young, and while Reinhart is a '95 (18) he's a late '95 birth date, so pretty young for this tourney as well. (Only 3 months older than Ekblad)
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MacKinnon barely played last year... he seems to be doing ok in the NHL.
EDIT: ^^^^ or what he said.
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01-05-2014, 10:51 AM
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#92
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Central CA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sureLoss
I assume he is talking about Nylander... he is playing wing in the Swedish men's leagues.
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Ah, ok. I'll admit to not following Nylander as closely as the other top-5 guys. I think the odds of Cgy drafting another smallish forward with this year's pick are pretty unlikely.
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01-05-2014, 10:53 AM
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#93
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodlad
Who's the RW expected to go in the top-5? The earliest one I've seen is Conner Bleackley, but he's usually somewhere in the 10-15 range from what I've seen.
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I thought Dal Colle was playing RW earlier in the season, or at the end of last year. I didn't know he switched to C.
Edit: he was a LW.
Okay, my mistake. Either way, whether we take a C, or LW, it'll fill the 1st line spot.
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01-05-2014, 10:54 AM
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#94
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Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Thunder Bay Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen
Sounds a lot like when we were slotting in MacKinnon in the lineup.
The thing is even during this slump they only just fell below the Islanders and still have games in hand. Buffalo and Edmonton are simply terrible and there's greater odds that the lottery pushes a bottom 3 team out of the top 3 draft positions since it's revamp.
And with the Islanders they'll possibly be looking at moving Vanek, Nabokov and maybe even Visnovsky who are probably helping them a lot more than Cammalleri and friends are helping the Flames at this point.
And maybe more worrisome is Florida. They simply get things done when it's time to pack it in. Both 2002 and 2003 saw them drop heavily and ultimately end up with the 1st overall pick before trading it. 2003 was especially impressive as they were in a playoff position in January and there were 14 teams below them. When it comes to tank Florida knows how to tank.
Flames will be in tight to compete with these terrible franchises.
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The flames are pretty terrible right now, they can't score and aren't really in games anymore. The other bad teams are at least scoring and have some aspects of their games that are going ok. The whole thing about the flames being hard to play against is gone, it took its toll on the team and they have nothing to show for it. We have a few players that would be hard pressed to make most nhl teams and our "good" players would be pretty low on the roster too. Don't kid yourself, this team is bad and getting worse
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01-05-2014, 10:56 AM
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#95
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Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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From what I've heard it sounds like Nylander hasn't been having the best of seasons. He's played some games in top league but has been down in the 2nd league for a while as well.
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01-05-2014, 10:59 AM
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#96
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: Saving the world one gif at a time
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poe969
The flames are pretty terrible right now, they can't score and aren't really in games anymore. The other bad teams are at least scoring and have some aspects of their games that are going ok. The whole thing about the flames being hard to play against is gone, it took its toll on the team and they have nothing to show for it. We have a few players that would be hard pressed to make most nhl teams and our "good" players would be pretty low on the roster too. Don't kid yourself, this team is bad and getting worse
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It's the first year of a rebuild...what did you expect? Make the playoffs with this roster?!
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01-05-2014, 10:59 AM
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#97
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SW Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Poe969
The flames are pretty terrible right now, they can't score and aren't really in games anymore. The other bad teams are at least scoring and have some aspects of their games that are going ok. The whole thing about the flames being hard to play against is gone, it took its toll on the team and they have nothing to show for it. We have a few players that would be hard pressed to make most nhl teams and our "good" players would be pretty low on the roster too. Don't kid yourself, this team is bad and getting worse
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Team is still too old to really keep up that balls to walls play. Older guys - Stempniak, Cammy, etc... aren't going to keep up the pace when they know the team is terrible. I think you'll be a looking at a similar situation as last year when those older players get traded, the young guys come up and the team's play improves.
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01-05-2014, 11:03 AM
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#98
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
From what I've heard it sounds like Nylander hasn't been having the best of seasons. He's played some games in top league but has been down in the 2nd league for a while as well.
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I wouldn't be shocked if he slid to the mid teens. Seems a bit too passive of a player. That's not a bad thing, but you usually need to have the highest end of skills to get around that. He seems to be a notch below the highest end skill wise. Add in the other stuff and a 12-15 pick seems about right.
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01-05-2014, 11:06 AM
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#99
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Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PeteMoss
Team is still too old to really keep up that balls to walls play. Older guys - Stempniak, Cammy, etc... aren't going to keep up the pace when they know the team is terrible. I think you'll be a looking at a similar situation as last year when those older players get traded, the young guys come up and the team's play improves.
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Usually the worst performers on the team in a given performance are the vets. They have been mailing it in frequently (which is why outside of Gio, I'd like everyone else over 25 that is here currently to get dealt before we are on the upswing again)
Plus we have a bunch of good kids on the farm, so its time to see what they have.
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01-05-2014, 11:21 AM
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#100
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Flames fan in Seattle
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+/- alone shows us that the veterans are mailing in and playing worse.
Yes I know they get harder assignments but not -20 worth.
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