[Rumour] Nazem Kadri on trade block

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

Monahan and I like Kadri.

[Backlund11]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

I think the vast majority of people around the NHL would say Monahan. Guess we're all "homers".

[FlamesAddiction]

Sorry if this was already posted, but kinds of gives some insight into the Leafs dressing room, Carlyle and how the players perceive it:

http://www.thestar.com/sports/leafs/...t_feschuk.html

Hopefully I am not quoting too much (the whole thing is a pretty good read):

As the second half of the NHL season revs up, it’s Toronto’s head coach who is going to be expected to answer a tricky question: Specifically, is Carlyle a friend or an enemy of player development? While the Leafs have lately eked out wins thanks to some shootout sniping and the superior goaltending of Jonathan Bernier, more than a few key players — not to mention the penalty kill — have continued to under-perform under the direction of the head coach.

Kadri, the club’s 2009 first-round pick, may be the persistent target of the coaching staff’s attention, but he’s also not the only Leaf whose on-ice work has regressed this season.

Cody Franson hasn’t emerged as the force his best moments suggest he could one day become. Ditto Jake Gardiner. Nikolai Kulemin, meanwhile, continues to flaunt his gift for on-ice invisibility. Newcomer David Clarkson, a veteran who has been heard quibbling about his role, hasn’t made nearly the impact expected when he signed a seven-year deal worth about $36.75 million (U.S.) in the off-season.

And on it goes.

Kadri was recently asked why he so often finds himself in the coaching crosshairs.


“I think it’s because they know I can handle it. Obviously a lot of guys are different and you handle some guys different ways,” Kadri said. “A lot of times I don’t like it too much. But I’m not one to kind of shy away and just cave in. I just keep going and do what I have to do.”


Veteran Maple Leafs say the targeting of Kadri is simply a part of NHL life.

Still, Carlyle is less than a year removed from running centreman Mikhail Grabovski out of town at the considerable expense of a summertime buyout.

Toronto GM Dave Nonis has offered an intriguing take on the reason for that exit: “Our coaching staff wasn’t getting the most out of (Grabovski),” the GM told season-ticket holders at a season kickoff event.

Maybe that was a rare moment of blame-affixing candour. Maybe that was simply Nonis acknowledging there are horses for both courses and for coaches. But Grabovski, who called out Carlyle as an “idiot” upon his exit, hasn’t been the only vocal critic of Carlyle’s methods.

Ex-Leaf Clarke MacArthur let loose earlier this season: “Some guys are good with the criticism and some guys don’t want to hear it every single shift you come off the ice.”

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

19 Years old, 11 goals 17 points.
23 Years old, 11 goals 23 points.

Which one?

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

(takes off homer glasses) Monahan in a heart beat (puts glasses back on)

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

A ridiculous assertion given there isn't a team in hockey that would be thinking of moving Monahan if they had him, while Kadri is rumoured to be on the block. And, as MMF notes, Monahan is doing at 19 what Kadri has at 23.

You don't make yourself look objective with arguments like this. You only make yourself look like a fool.

[$ven27]

I do think Monahan has more value then Kadri. big 6'2 two way captain material type centers don't come around everyday. However If Monahan was still in Junior I think Kadri would be seen to have more value by fans simply by that Monahan would'nt of have played an NHL game yet.

[The Original FFIV]

Think we can forget about Kadri being dealt soon:

--Barring more injuries, the Leafs are probably done trading until the deadline. Nonis already added Peter Holland from Anaheim earlier this season. And Nazem Kadri? Despite the rumours, he's no more available than he was at the start of the season. If some team comes calling and offering a centre in his early twenties, the Leafs will listen.
But they consider Kadri a good, if erratic player, something like Mike Ribeiro was earlier in his career. They're nothing close to desperate to move him. At this point, to move Kadri they'd definitely need a centre back, and as shown in both the Holland and Gleason deals, they're not doing the youth-for-experience deals these days.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/the_sp...medium=twitter

[BigTuna]

The Kadri talk all started because of that moron, Brooks. He tried to say Kadri was worthless and the Leafs were desperate to move him. That was never the case.

And yes, Kadri is indeed a Mike Riberiro clone. Keep him.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

19 Years old, 11 goals 17 points.
23 Years old, 11 goals 23 points.

Which one?

The problem is, Kadri is a different player now. So you're not basing his value for his stats as a teenager.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The problem is, Kadri is a different player now. So you're not basing his value for his stats as a teenager.

Yeah, not doing that. I'm basing it on what each player is now and what I think each player will be. I like Kadri but Monahan I like a lot more, especially when he's 19.

[trublmaker]

Originally Posted by BigTuna

The problem is, Kadri is a different player now. So you're not basing his value for his stats as a teenager.

nm (not worth it)

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

I think it is easily debatable. Kadri has been ripped publicly in the media by his team for years. Now they are looking to move him. He makes 2.9M this year and next and will want a big payday next deal. If he is so great why are the leafs shopping him?

Monahan has been praised for his maturity and humble nature since he was picked. He has proved to be a NHL player at 18/19. Not only that he is 6'2 and nearly 200lbs now. He could easily get to 210-215. He is regarded as a 2 way player where Kadri gets ripped for his lack of defensive awareness.

I think several teams would take Monahan over Kadri because they are looking 3-4 years down the road. He is not the better player today but might be as soon as next season.

[BigTuna]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think it is easily debatable. Kadri has been ripped publicly in the media by his team for years. Now they are looking to move him. He makes 2.9M this year and next and will want a big payday next deal. If he is so great why are the leafs shopping him?

Monahan has been praised for his maturity and humble nature since he was picked. He has proved to be a NHL player at 18/19. Not only that he is 6'2 and nearly 200lbs now. He could easily get to 210-215. He is regarded as a 2 way player where Kadri gets ripped for his lack of defensive awareness.

I think several teams would take Monahan over Kadri because they are looking 3-4 years down the road. He is not the better player today but might be as soon as next season.

He might not be. The Toronto Star claims he was never available. It all started with a terrible source in Brooks.

And he's been unfairly ripped by the media imo.

[$ven27]

^ Also Kypreos confirmed it I believe?

[Resolute 14]

In fairness, Kypreos hardly lends credibility.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Leafs fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Kadri then you're a pretty big homer.

I honestly think this is closer to what most non Flames/Leafs fan feel. Ask any fans from other teams which one they'd rather have, and I'm willing to bet 8/10 would say Monahan.

[saXon]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Pretend you're not a Flames fan. Who do you think would get the bigger package if traded right now, Kadri or Monahan? If you think Monahan then you're a pretty big homer.

Us first > Me first. Guess I'm a homer.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

I honestly think this is closer to what most non Flames/Leafs fan feel. Ask any fans from other teams which one they'd rather have, and I'm willing to bet 8/10 would say Monahan.

And the two that said Kadri are Leafs and Oilers fans.

[FAN]

Toronto GM Dave Nonis has offered an intriguing take on the reason for that exit: “Our coaching staff wasn’t getting the most out of (Grabovski),” the GM told season-ticket holders at a season kickoff event.

I read a while ago that apparently Nonis fought hard for Eakins to be hired but Burke chose Caryle so I don't think Caryle was ever Nonis' man. Still Nonis could have fired the coach instead but chose to buy out Grabovski.