Still bothers me that Poirier didn't make Team Canada. You're telling me Poirier wouldn't be better than Gauthier who is merely a warm body out there? Yeah right...
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How is his hockey IQ? With his great speed I tend to compare him to Fata. His stats are similar to Fata in junior, though Fata played with much better players. The knock on Fata was his lack of hockey IQ, he could produce points in junior and the AHL but not the NHL.
So because he is a fast skater and puts up a ton of points, that reminds you of Fata?
All the fast skaters that could score in the history of the CHL and you think Fata?
So because he is a fast skater and puts up a ton of points, that reminds you of Fata?
All the fast skaters that could score in the history of the CHL and you think Fata?
Riiiiiiiight
No need to take offense. It's just natural for Flames fans to think of former draft picks when comparing prospects. Fata's and Poirier's stats are very similar, including pims. BTW The Sheffield Steelers have been trying to get Rico to sign with them after being released by Helsinki. His brother plays on the team.
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Fata was an over-developed physical specimen - Poirier, as tough and as much of a fighter he is, isn't over-developed physically - one of the reasons he was returned to Juniors is that Feaster thought he wasn't developed enough physically for the NHL.
Fata and Poirier have similar PPG in their draft year. Similar PPG in the year after the draft (though Fata had a smaller sample size).
Big difference is that Fata had NEVER led his teams in points. Poirier has in his rookie season, and is now. Also, without really looking, I would bet that scoring in the QMJHL is lower today than it was in Fata's time.
I see where the comparison is coming from, but looking deeper into the two and you can see there are some big differences. Having to be 'the guy' leading your team day in, day out against the toughest competition is different than being 'one of the guys' against tough competition. Doing so with a 'regular body' as compared to your peers, vs an almost 'man amongst boys' body also counts for something - room to continue physically developing into your NHL career.
Not really a terrible comparison (aside from the 'emotions' that Fata causes Flames Fans). They both had blazing speed and put up good points. Poirier for me, is a guy that probably has more room to develop and grow as a player given his development, and given his linemates.
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I was a little too young in the Fata days, and I could be totally wrong, but I don't remember him being that big and physical at all. I thought he was small and relied on his speed. Poirier struck me as being quite physical during the prospects camp. What I mean is, that he works hard and goes to the dirty areas, as well as plays an up-tempo hard hitting game. I really like him as a prospect, especially when you add his speed, which is the only semblance to Fata (imo).
I was a little too young in the Fata days, and I could be totally wrong, but I don't remember him being that big and physical at all. I thought he was small and relied on his speed. Poirier struck me as being quite physical during the prospects camp. What I mean is, that he works hard and goes to the dirty areas, as well as plays an up-tempo hard hitting game. I really like him as a prospect, especially when you add his speed, which is the only semblance to Fata (imo).
Think Rocco Grimaldi with regards to Fata (though obviously not as short). Fata was fairly physically developed, and this helped his game a lot in juniors. Maybe not to the level that Grimaldi was in comparison to his peers, but much further ahead than Poirier. Yes, he did look smaller in the NHL - he wasn't a big guy, just developed.
He also didn't possess the biggest hockey sense either. Guys like that will still do well when surrounded by other talented players in junior. He wasn't able to get it all together in the NHL because he couldn't adjust his game well. Poirier has to adjust more since he is constantly targeted (and as much as I think it is great he is playing a rugged game, he needs to stop fighting so much) in every game. When he steps into the NHL, he will be that much further ahead since he isn't a one trick pony, and still has room to develop himself physically.
Like I said, it isn't a horrible comparison as Fata in retrospect seemed like a very good prospect at the time, and there are strong similarities - namely speed, ppg in juniors and some physicality (I somehow remember Fata strong-arming guys away in junior). That is where the similarities end, however (imo). Poirier seems to have a bit more tools, and I think he would have to require them since again, he is easily the 'target' on the team that needs to be contained constantly, but still manages to get himself on the scoreboard very consistently. Reway will help, but he is also really small and if anything, Poirier makes room for Reway out there.
There is a lot to like about Poirier's game, but he is no Fata. Flames actively scout for hockey IQ, and typically players with lower hockey IQ have troubles consistently scoring being the biggest offensive threats on the team. He is a very solid prospect.
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Poirier thinks the game well enough. He's basically a slightly shorter, slightly less dynamic version of Valeri Nichushkin that plays an in your face style of game.
He has the secondary skills to be at least a 3rd liner in the NHL (Speed + Size + Defensive Awareness), but has the offensive ability to potentially emerge as a top line winger although not a star, but a good compliment to the star talent.
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Has Poirier Been Signed Yet?
I may have missed it, but I did not see where Poirier has been issued a contract (likely my miss). We just signed our #3 and #4 picks and while listening to the US vs Canada game they are talking about several players who will sign their initial contracts following that series.
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I may have missed it, but I did not see where Poirier has been issued a contract (likely my miss). We just signed our #3 and #4 picks and while listening to the US vs Canada game they are talking about several players who will sign their initial contracts following that series.
If he signs prior to the New Year his contract may slide next year. So his agent has probably told him that they will wait until the New Year, so his ELC will kick in for sure next year.
2 fights in his last two games. He now has 4 on the season, which is fifth on the team. He still leads the Olympiques in goals and assists too. He's 7th in the Q in points, and has 30 more PIM than any other player in the top 10.
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Enjoy the signing bonus kid. Christmas comes a week late in the Poirier household.
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I was a little too young in the Fata days, and I could be totally wrong, but I don't remember him being that big and physical at all. I thought he was small and relied on his speed. Poirier struck me as being quite physical during the prospects camp. What I mean is, that he works hard and goes to the dirty areas, as well as plays an up-tempo hard hitting game. I really like him as a prospect, especially when you add his speed, which is the only semblance to Fata (imo).
Fata had poor hockey sense. It was noted the moment he was picked by the Flames in the 1998 draft which wasn't the deepest of drafts. He wasn't able to overcome the fact that he just didn't have a good feel for the game despite being a very good skater. I haven't heard that about Poirier.
