[Trade] Calgary trades Greg Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Ugh. Carolina fans on HF have nothing good to say about him and glad he's gone...

Not sure why we did it.

It was neimez... A prospect who has only 9 points this season as a AHL vet! We got bigger tougher and added character to a room that could use more.

[Jason14h]

Ugh. Carolina fans on HF have nothing good to say about him and glad he's gone...

Not sure why we did it.

Cause we had a guy who in 5 years played 15 games and was not going to be with the team at the end of the season?

Useless for useless

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Ugh. Carolina fans on HF have nothing good to say about him and glad he's gone...

Not sure why we did it.

Also reading HF boards is like pulling a billy Madison... You're just putting yourself back to the days of kindergarteners of the hockey fan base

[Tinordi]

Do some people still not understand that Nemisz is/was utter junk?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Do some people still not understand that Nemisz is/was utter junk?

Pretty much this. At best, we gain another guy like Grats, Westy is apparently a great guy to have in the locker room, and of course TRUCULENT, and we didn't have to give up anything for it.

Worst case scenario, we lose a useless expiring contract, and replace it with another useless expiring contract. No harm done here

[getbak]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Ugh. Carolina fans on HF have nothing good to say about him and glad he's gone...

Not sure why we did it.

Yeah, but they were mad when Babchuk was traded, so that pretty much invalidates their ability to judge trades.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

It was neimez... A prospect who has only 9 points this season as a AHL vet! We got bigger tougher and added character to a room that could use more.

We got bigger and tougher and added another useless goon. Yippee.

This trade is utterly useless. Trying to spin it in any other way just makes you look like the Cane fans you are dissing.

[Badgers Nose]

I have no problem getting rid of Nemisz, would rather dump him for futures if Carolina wanted him. Have a one way contract come back is even worse.

It's meh. Hopefully part of a bigger plan.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Late to the party, but this is a win. Nemisz had almost nothing left to offer at the NHL level and Westgarth already has more games under his belt than Nemisz ever will. He's a big, big boy and knows how to play a decent physical game. I remember him in L.A. and while he isn't that skilled, he can contribute. Nemisz is a complete bust at this point.

This is the first of hopefully many "win" trades from Burke.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

I have no problem getting rid of Nemisz, would rather dump him for futures if Carolina wanted him. Have a one way contract come back is even worse.

It's meh. Hopefully part of a bigger plan.

In a couple weeks when Cammy, Stajan and Stempniak are dealt, having a vet to protect the kids will be very useful. He'll do a better job contributing this season than Nemisz would.

[ricosuave]

I'm just saying that they had nothing good to say about him. Sorta like us and Nemisz.

[Calgary4LIfe]

There are a few reasons I SLIGHTLY dislike this trade:

1) I actually think enforcers are great to have, and make players (especially younger players) feel 'bigger' out there, and teams end up playing with more swagger. However, a good enforcer doesn't take bad penalties (which Westgarth doesn't, so great), bring a lot of leadership (judging by his involvement in the CBA, also check, which is great), are not a liability out there (unsure right now), and hopefully can skate (some Carolina fans feel he is the NHL's absolute worst skater).

2) Nemisz - although not a scoring machine, and essentially a piece that will probably never affect the future - did bring a lot to the Heat. He was one of the leaders, and it is difficult to fill those shoes. How valuable is that? Well, I think Bancks and a few other guys will fill in just fine really, but to say he brought 'nothing' is wrong. There will be a bit of a loss felt.

3) Make the lineups. Right now the centers are Stajan, Backlund, Colborne, Monahan. You are NOT going to bench any of these. They will play on lines 1-4, with the poorest performer at the time playing on the 4th. What does this mean? Bouma is PROBABLY the odd man out from that line. Bouma can skate, plays with truculence, and is a pretty good player now as a 4th liner. So you essentially remove him out of the lineup for a guy that is slower and more one-dimensional, but way tougher.

I don't get the 'if we don't do this we become like Edmonton'. Edmonton brought in Steve McIntyre, Hordichuck, Eager, etc. While Westgarth is probably tougher than Hordi and Eager, his skating is probably below all 3 of those.

Start making your lineups with Westgarth in the picture. That is why I slightly dislike this trade. Maybe Bouma gets bumped up to the third, in which case Blair Jones (who also brings a bit of a physical game now) gets sent down. The only way you are adding a physical presence without removing a physical presence from the lineup would be if Byron gets sent down (and he does play physical, but he is tiny).

Now whomever is playing on the 4th line is playing with two guys who can't really contribute in terms of making plays. Not so important if that guy is Bouma, but Colborne/Monahan/Backlund - they are going to be very 'safe', but their time is not going to be very productive.

Edmonton's problem wasn't that they didn't bring enough tough guys to protect their kids. It was that their toughness was mostly (or all) on the 4th line. I love enforcers - and I don't necessarily think that having 2 dressing is a detriment, especially while running 3 scoring lines. I would like this trade more if it was a guy that could at least skate and play like McGrattan somewhat - an Orr, McLaren, Carkner, etc (if they were going the heavyweight direction).

I am not sure how Hartley is going to manage the lines. Unless it is Byron being sent down (who I don't think deserves it), it is probably going to be Jones, and Bouma is going to sit. I am not sure I like that.

However, I am anticipating Burke opening up a spot further up the lineup - Stajan? The centers all move up a spot, and Bouma dresses as the 4th line center. Great move then! This is hardly the impetus for a Stajan move, however, but that move is probably coming at some point. So I 'slightly dislike' this trade until then. After that, I don't have a problem at all with this trade.

[Buff]

To the people who are confused about bringing in Westgarth when we already have McGrattan. If you want to build a bigger and tougher team then you don't have only one tough guy. What if Big Ern was injured or suspended, or just had the flu and couldn't play in a game where the team wanted to dress more size?

It is the same thing as wanting a team to score more goals and expecting one player to do all the scoring and hoping other get lucky breaks. You want a high scoring team you get more than one guy who you can lean on to score goals.

Brian Burke wants a big team, he is going to hire a GM who shares his vision. Why not put pieces in place for the new GM? The new GM doesn't like some of the pieces that Burke got then he can deal with that in the off season or next year.

The goal is for this team to win the Stanley Cup with a good mix of toughness and skill. They are developing the skill, and that will take time for guys like Monahan and Baertschi to lead the way, but you can't let your developing guys be knocked around, so get that toughness on your team, keep toughness on your team. The tough guys come and go. It is easier to acquire a tough guy than it is to trade for or develop the skill. Build your identity from the 1st day you decide what you want. Burke wants a tough and skilled team, and he's starting with tough because that can be addressed now. The skill will come, but not as quick as the toughness.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Wow…just wow. After reading the rest of this thread I am truly shocked that people aren't overjoyed that we got anything resembling an NHL player from trading Nemisz.

CP…some days…I just don't get you.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wow…just wow. After reading the rest of this thread I am truly shocked that people aren't overjoyed that we got anything resembling an NHL player from trading Nemisz.

CP…some days…I just don't get you.

I have no problems with bringing in an enforcer but please let him have some talent that can contribute with something other than his fists.

[kehatch]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

Wow…just wow. After reading the rest of this thread I am truly shocked that people aren't overjoyed that we got anything resembling an NHL player from trading Nemisz.

CP…some days…I just don't get you.

My wife says the same thing when she returns from the mall after getting another trinket we didn't need on a really really good sale.

"But it was a great deal ...." Time to put another shelf up in the garage. Great.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Dion

I have no problems with bringing in an enforcer but please let him have some talent that can contribute with something other than his fists.

It's more about getting return on an asset that had no value left. Whether you like enforcers or truculent hockey isn't as important as improving the team slowly by winning deals. It's not a big deal, but considering what we gave up, getting Westgarth back is quite an amazing feat. I'm well aware of what he brings, but Nemisz was barely going to get you a 6th or 7th round pick at this point, and you would likely not find a guy like Westgarth in those rounds, never mind his experience level which is already better than Nemisz's.

Whether you like the return or not, it's still better than a bag of poop which is what most teams would have given for Nemisz at this point in his career. While I'm not a particular fan of loading up on goons or beefy guys, but I understand that we are seriously short of anyone who has decent size on either the NHL or AHL rosters. This is just to add some depth of guys who could play NHL hockey if called upon. I doubt Nemisz will ever see the NHL again, so this is definitely an upgrade IMO.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by kehatch

My wife says the same thing when she returns from the mall after getting another trinket we didn't need on a really really good sale.

"But it was a great deal ...." Time to put another shelf up in the garage. Great.

Cute story, but doesn't apply here. We didn't buy anything, we made a trade. Unless she was bartering for her trinket and giving up something of much lesser value to get it, it's just not the same thing.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

We got bigger and tougher and added another useless goon. Yippee.

This trade is utterly useless. Trying to spin it in any other way just makes you look like the Cane fans you are dissing.

so an utterly useless trade is basically a wash? no not negative? so why are you such a hater?

also this trade addresses the teams size and toughness that has been mentioned before by burke…

so if burke is getting what he wants… its a win!… its his first step of many more to go.

You are short sighted.

1. Bring in Colbourne
2. Sign Klimchuk
3. Sign Kanzig
4. Trade Jackman
5. Trade for Mcdermid
6. Trade a former first rounder, who is a bust, for a player with character and can play big.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

It's more about getting return on an asset that had no value left. Whether you like enforcers or truculent hockey isn't as important as improving the team slowly by winning deals. It's not a big deal, but considering what we gave up, getting Westgarth back is quite an amazing feat. I'm well aware of what he brings, but Nemisz was barely going to get you a 6th or 7th round pick at this point, and you would likely not find a guy like Westgarth in those rounds, never mind his experience level which is already better than Nemisz's.

Whether you like the return or not, it's still better than a bag of poop which is what most teams would have given for Nemisz at this point in his career. While I'm not a particular fan of loading up on goons or beefy guys, but I understand that we are seriously short of anyone who has decent size on either the NHL or AHL rosters. This is just to add some depth of guys who could play NHL hockey if called upon. I doubt Nemisz will ever see the NHL again, so this is definitely an upgrade IMO.

yup