[Trade] Calgary trades Greg Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth

[dammage79]

I'm alright with this. Neimz needs a change of scenery. Westgarth adds another right handed shot and some size and toughness. He's not the best ever but he will do for the rest of this season. Trading two expiring contracts has zero effect on the future.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

My gripe isn't how long it took, it's Burke making trades. Shouldn't the new GM be deciding what to do with Nemisz? If Burke is the new GM, then announce it. Otherwise, he should be hands off as far as trades go.

Even if Burke names a new GM, I don't expect him to be hands off when it comes to trades.

I wouldn't be surprised if we wait until the end of the year to have the GM position clarified.

[kn]

In five years when we win the Stanley Cup, we will fondly look back on the debate in this thread and laugh.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by dammage79

I'm alright with this. Neimz needs a change of scenery. Westgarth adds another right handed shot and some size and toughness. He's not the best ever but he will do for the rest of this season. Trading two expiring contracts has zero effect on the future.

I agree.... The only thing that is wrong is that I'm pretty sure nemo is a RHer as well

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by moon

I would say it is much worse for the team to be in a holding pattern while waiting for a new GM. Burke is President of Hockey Ops so he will have a role in roster decisions with the team. It isn't like this is Ken King business exec making a move.

Having the team involved in nothing at all right now or rushing to fill the position would be much more harmful than Burke and the other hockey guys here making a minor deal.

He definitely should not be hands off as far as trades go right now.

Disagree. Having an interim GM making trades without a long-term commitment to the franchis is much worse.

Why did this move have to be made now? What doe this move offer us exactly? Size? What's the point in haing size without any skill? What was the point of the McDermid acquisition? Are we just collecting pluggers with size? Why not just call-up a guy like Ferland?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Disagree. Having an interim GM making trades without a long-term commitment to the franchis is much worse.

Why did this move have to be made now? What doe this move offer us exactly? Size? What's the point in haing size without any skill? What was the point of the McDermid acquisition? Are we just collecting pluggers with size? Why not just call-up a guy like Ferland?

How does Burke not have a long-term commitment to this franchise? He's going to outlast any GM he hires.

What are you even talking about?

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by strombad

He's acting GM until he finds a new candidate, which likely won't be until July.

Way way way to long... I don't think you want to wait until after the draft and after July 1 to name a new GM, I don't think you even want to wait until after the trade deadline to name a new GM.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by 868904

If you can't beat them on the scoresheet, beat them physically!

I'm good with this deal and hope they both play at the same time.

I'd rather they run 3 forward lines and have an extra forward (who can fill in on the top 3 lines) on the 4th line centering the goons.

Honestly, is anyone actually entertained by the likes of Galiardi, Jones, Stempniak, Stajan? I'd rather watch the Hudler, Cammy, Monahan, Backlund, etc get more ice time AND have the goons beat some guys up.

This team sucks and is going to lose more games than not. At least provide some entertainment in the form of skill guys playing more and tough guys beating up the opposition.

No more vanilla players. You either be skilled, be truculent, or both.

I tend to agree with you. This is the direction Burke is moving..

We have a lot of 2nd/3rd liner veterans who are inconsistent at scoring &/or providing a physical spark.

Players like Stajan, Stempniak, Jones and Galiardi are mostly replaceable because of this.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by cannon7

My gripe isn't how long it took, it's Burke making trades. Shouldn't the new GM be deciding what to do with Nemisz? If Burke is the new GM, then announce it. Otherwise, he should be hands off as far as trades go.

So if he waits till the summer to hire someone. You'd be ok with the team holding on to Cammy and other vets because it should be the new GM's job?

Or do you just have this stand because Burke made a trade you don't understand.

Either way, it's a trade. Burke likes to have a big bottom 6. Nemo wasn't going to grab a spot in the top 6, and he was hard pressed to make the team as a bottom 6 guy, so give him a chance on another team.. All the best to Nemo

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Way way way to long... I don't think you want to wait until after the draft and after July 1 to name a new GM, I don't think you even want to wait until after the trade deadline to name a new GM.

If you want Futa, or Benning, or basically anyone worth hiring you are absolutely going to wait that long. It's almost a given, and Burke himself said he's willing to wait that long.

Don't expect a new GM before the trade deadline.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by cannon7

Disagree. Having an interim GM making trades without a long-term commitment to the franchis is much worse.

Why did this move have to be made now? What doe this move offer us exactly? Size? What's the point in haing size without any skill? What was the point of the McDermid acquisition? Are we just collecting pluggers with size? Why not just call-up a guy like Ferland?

Burke is committed to the Flames long-term and has lots of GM experience, so I don't see this as an issue at all.

[trackercowe]

How many games has Nemisz played on a bad Flames team that has suffered many injuries this year? Oh yeah zero. And how many last season again? Oh that's right also zero. Oh what a significant loss he's going to be! Abbotsford is going to suffer greatly losing their 12th highest scorer. Oh woe is me, surely they will fall apart now that Nemisz is gone!

He's the lowest scoring forward on Abbosford. Basically we just traded away nothing, who cares what it's for, unless it's for someone who might hider the team (which Westgarth won't be).

[moon]

My guess would be Ferland is hurt.

Teams don't stop operating because they fire a GM. Burke is going to play a role in this team when the GM is hired so him being the de facto intern GM and making a minor minor move is no big deal at all.

I imagine the point if this deal is to add toughness to the Flames line up. My guess is the point of the MacDermid deal was to add toughness to the Heat line up.

Burke had said he is here for the long haul how does he not have a long-term commitment to the franchise? Based on his position and comments he may have a longer term commitment than the next GM they bring in.

[Flash Walken]

I don't think this has anything to do with the Flames roster and everything to do with cutting bait.

Nemisz sucks. Any attempt at this point to keep him around as anything but a bottom six AHL forward is foolhardy.

So far, Burke's first trade is on par with some of Feaster's best.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Way way way to long... I don't think you want to wait until after the draft and after July 1 to name a new GM, I don't think you even want to wait until after the trade deadline to name a new GM.

All the main candidates for the position are working for NHL teams right now. Teams are not going to let them walk to the Flames and take a role in drafting. Either they won't let their guy go until the off-season, or they'll let him go under the condition he has no role in the draft.

So basically, it's already too late to hire someone who will step in and run the draft.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by strombad

If you want Futa, or Benning, or basically anyone worth hiring you are absolutely going to wait that long. It's almost a given

Why? I think I'd want the job before any of those dates pass... at the very least I'd want it before the Draft and the onset of Free Agency. Why would I want to wait until after those two key dates? I'd want to start putting my stamp on the team asap.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Parallex

Way way way to long... I don't think you want to wait until after the draft and after July 1 to name a new GM, I don't think you even want to wait until after the trade deadline to name a new GM.

You wait as long as it takes to find the best guy for the job. I don't care if we don't hire a GM until next season as long as we get a good GM.

[AnotherFlameFan]

The big hold up is that all of the good candidates are under contract and the teams they are working for are not granting permission. This could change but it may not.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by moon

My guess would be Ferland is hurt.

He wasn't when we traded Jackman or when McDermid was acquired. Neither move looks like it was well thought out, the moment they traded Jackman they seemed to scramble to replace him.

[Parallex]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Teams are not going to let them walk to the Flames and take a role in drafting.

I disagree, your draft boards are going to change between now and the draft. I don't think anyone is going to block someone from taking a promotion based on the idea that they'll have draft information that's 6 months outdated.