[Trade] Calgary trades Greg Nemisz to Carolina for Kevin Westgarth

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Can't believe anyone could possibly complain about this trade. Junk AHLer for a junk NHLer. At least we got the guy who can fill a role in the NHL.

Really? You can't believe that anyone could complain about this trade? You can't believe that people would complain that Burke went out and basically created a dead roster spot by trading for a guy who serves no purpose on this team? It doesn't matter that we didn't give up anything of value. This is still a pointless move that has no other function than to allow people to shout "TRUCULENCE". It does not improve the Flames now or in the future, and it actually hurts Abbotsford.

[bubbsy]

How much was he playing on the kings cup team? Could he play a regular shift, or just a 5 min goon? We need guys who can play the bottom line role of hitting and tough to play against.

I guess my question is whether this is someone closer to jackman or mcgratton?

[stignasty]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

How much was he playing on the kings cup team? Could he play a regular shift, or just a 5 min goon? We need guys who can play the bottom line role of hitting and tough to play against.

I guess my question is whether this is someone closer to jackman or mcgratton?

From wikipedia:
"On February 16, 2012, Westgarth suffered a hand injury, placing him on the long term injury list for the remainder of the season. With the Kings franchise subsequently earning their first Stanley Cup in the club's forty-five-year history, and despite only playing in 25 regular season games, Westgarth was acknowledged as a Stanley Cup winner and had his name engraved on the cup."

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

How much was he playing on the kings cup team? Could he play a regular shift, or just a 5 min goon? We need guys who can play the bottom line role of hitting and tough to play against.

I guess my question is whether this is someone closer to jackman or mcgratton?

Average time on ice:
2013-14: 4:52
2012-13: 5:43
2011-12: 5:15
2010-11: 5:26

Five minute goon. Closer to McGrattan.

[Ice]

During a rebuild you need to bring guys in to the locker room who have character, experience and a strong work ethic. What Westgarth brings to a rebuilding team won't be obvious on the scoresheet but he is a perfect addition to this team for right now. He is a great team guy and has been through a successful rebuild before. Rebuilding requires different parts to be a success. What appears to be a nothing move, or even a step backwards may not be. There are less obvious, but very important intricacies for a successful rebuild...or you end up like the Oilers.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

It does not improve the Flames now or in the future, and it actually hurts Abbotsford.

Going to disagree with that. Nemisz needs to be replaced by someone. If Westgarth is up with the Flames taking a 4th line/extra roster spot then someone else is going down. Maybe a candidate will be a healthy Blair Jones in which case the Heat are getting back one of their top scorers at the expense of Nemisz. Or maybe it's Byron who takes the hit as some of the warm bodies come back(or Granlund considering he is up), either way the Heat aren't going to be in a worse position in my opinion. Even if you hate everything else about the trade and what it means I don't think you should be worried about the Heat suffering a hit.

[868904]

If you can't beat them on the scoresheet, beat them physically!

I'm good with this deal and hope they both play at the same time.

I'd rather they run 3 forward lines and have an extra forward (who can fill in on the top 3 lines) on the 4th line centering the goons.

Honestly, is anyone actually entertained by the likes of Galiardi, Jones, Stempniak, Stajan? I'd rather watch the Hudler, Cammy, Monahan, Backlund, etc get more ice time AND have the goons beat some guys up.

This team sucks and is going to lose more games than not. At least provide some entertainment in the form of skill guys playing more and tough guys beating up the opposition.

No more vanilla players. You either be skilled, be truculent, or both.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

Really? You can't believe that anyone could complain about this trade? You can't believe that people would complain that Burke went out and basically created a dead roster spot by trading for a guy who serves no purpose on this team? It doesn't matter that we didn't give up anything of value. This is still a pointless move that has no other function than to allow people to shout "TRUCULENCE". It does not improve the Flames now or in the future, and it actually hurts Abbotsford.

This doesn't hurt abbotsford at all. I don't think Nemo was even in the top 10 for scoring.

[T@T]

A year ago he seemed to have some value.

Carolina Hurricanes traded Anthony Stewart, a 2013 fourth-round draft pick and a 2014 sixth-round draft pick to the Los Angeles Kings for Kevin Westgarth.

[getbak]

Kevin Westgarth ‏@KWesty19

I am excited to join the Calgary Flames, another first class organization. Can't wait to contribute everything I can to the team and city.

[The Original FFIV]

For all the lack of trades this season we have to be the most active team:

1 - 4th for Colborne
2 - Horak Brossoit for Smid Roy
3 - Jackman for 6th
4 - 6th for McDiermid
5 - Nemisz for Westgarth

We have to be the most active team. Can someone advise what % of the trades we account for this year?

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

For all the lack of trades this season we have to be the most active team:

1 - 4th for Colborne
2 - Horak Brossoit for Smid Roy
3 - Jackman for 6th
4 - 6th for McDiermid
5 - Nemisz for Westgarth

We have to be the most active team. Can someone advise what % of the trades we account for this year?

If there was a stat for useless trades we would win.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

For all the lack of trades this season we have to be the most active team:

1 - 4th for Colborne
2 - Horak Brossoit for Smid Roy
3 - Jackman for 6th
4 - 6th for McDiermid
5 - Nemisz for Westgarth

We have to be the most active team. Can someone advise what % of the trades we account for this year?

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=675589

16 trades in the NHL since the start of training camp. The Flames have been involved in 5; the Oilers in 4; the Hawks in 3.

Originally Posted by puckluck2

If there was a stat for useless trades we would win.

Hey, you want useless, you talk to the Oilers. They've made four trades, and the biggest piece they've received in return is Roman Horak.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Going to disagree with that. Nemisz needs to be replaced by someone. If Westgarth is up with the Flames taking a 4th line/extra roster spot then someone else is going down. Maybe a candidate will be a healthy Blair Jones in which case the Heat are getting back one of their top scorers at the expense of Nemisz. Or maybe it's Byron who takes the hit as some of the warm bodies come back(or Granlund considering he is up), either way the Heat aren't going to be in a worse position in my opinion. Even if you hate everything else about the trade and what it means I don't think you should be worried about the Heat suffering a hit.

The player who will obviously be going down is Granlund, who was with the Heat the last time they played. Abbotsford has to fill Nemisz's spot with someone from below.

Originally Posted by Zulu29

This doesn't hurt abbotsford at all. I don't think Nemo was even in the top 10 for scoring.

Please tell me you don't actually think points are the be-all, end-all of a hockey player's contributions. Would removing Bouma from our line-up not hurt us at all?

That said, I never classified Nemisz' departure as a major loss - though the one person familiar with the team I've seen chime in thus far doesn't like it much. It is a small loss, but a loss none the less. Mostly that part of the deal isn't terribly concerning to me as the fact that we acquired a player with no actual value.

[cannon7]

Originally Posted by DOOM

The deal probably took 10 minutes to make...seriously?

My gripe isn't how long it took, it's Burke making trades. Shouldn't the new GM be deciding what to do with Nemisz? If Burke is the new GM, then announce it. Otherwise, he should be hands off as far as trades go.

[Caged Great]

The thing is that in a couple weeks when Butler, Cammalleri, Stempniak and Stajan are gone and you have say Reinhart Baertschi and Granlund coming up to replace them, it will help to have some protection to reduce the chance of injury to the kids. Additionally when Gaudreau gets his likely call up at the end of the year, having multiple deterrents will help.

I don't like goons on a playoff type team, but they are extremely helpful in protecting young NHLers who have little to no experience. It gives them breathing room to adapt, instead of getting targeted.

[moon]

Originally Posted by cannon7

My gripe isn't how long it took, it's Burke making trades. Shouldn't the new GM be deciding what to do with Nemisz? If Burke is the new GM, then announce it. Otherwise, he should be hands off as far as trades go.

I would say it is much worse for the team to be in a holding pattern while waiting for a new GM. Burke is President of Hockey Ops so he will have a role in roster decisions with the team. It isn't like this is Ken King business exec making a move.

Having the team involved in nothing at all right now or rushing to fill the position would be much more harmful than Burke and the other hockey guys here making a minor deal.

He definitely should not be hands off as far as trades go right now.

[Sylvanfan]

A potential union rep to replace the soon to be traded Matt Stajan.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by cannon7

My gripe isn't how long it took, it's Burke making trades. Shouldn't the new GM be deciding what to do with Nemisz? If Burke is the new GM, then announce it. Otherwise, he should be hands off as far as trades go.

He's acting GM until he finds a new candidate, which likely won't be until July.

You want him to sit on his hands for 6 months and NOT make any moves?

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

The player who will obviously be going down is Granlund, who was with the Heat the last time they played. Abbotsford has to fill Nemisz's spot with someone from below

What? Sorry but that's terrible logic.

If Westgarth remains in the NHL and Nemisz was in the AHL the only logical way to look at is a player that would otherwise be in the NHL being assigned to the AHL.

Once the dust settles, players return from injuries etc. etc. and if Westgarth remains on the Flames roster that means one player that otherwise wouldn't have will be heading to Abbotsford. Whether it will be B. Jones, Byron, or someone else somebody will be going back because Westgarth took their spot. So again, this doesn't hurt the Heat but likely helps them. (And it would be a fair argument to complain that Westgarth is taking the job of someone else if you want but that doesn't have much to do with the Heat).

Of course this is assuming that Westgarth remains in the NHL and this isn't a precursor for another move or anything.