[Rumour] Nazem Kadri on trade block

[moon]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

Boston has a line with three centre. So what?

If you can play centre you can easily adapt to rw and lw.

Again the key phrase is for the price Toronto will be asking.

It isn't that Calgary has too many centers it is that they are deep enough that it doesn't make sense to deal Brodie from an area of weakness (defense) to get another center.

Sure most of the centers we have are bottom 6 guys but you look at the defense group now and especially going forward and without Brodie it is down right awful.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TOfan

true. age should be considered.

Brodie's upside is still unknown. By 27 he could be better than Russel ever was.....

anyway, just some speculation on my part.

Brodie is better Russell has ever been right now.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by kyuss275

The bolded part is the reason why the flames will not be able to get him without a 1st or top prospect being involved. I agree with the poster that said Backlund + Sven would probably be close. We have seen what top 6 centers get in trade, and its not cheap. Even if you don't like Kadri's attitude, he will not get any less.

I think the Leafs are looking for players who can help now. not necessarily a first or prospect.

the only way the flames can make this deal (IMO) is with a combination of both. Cammalleri + Sven/Backlund. If the Flames offer that up and perhaps take some salary off the Leafs hands, something might get done.

Backlunds getting close to the age where we'll know what he is. in the next year or two we're going to find out whether he is closer to Frans Neilsen or Aaron Gavy.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Flames best bet would be to move the UFAs for assets then make a deal, more like a 3 team deal.

Something like Cammy to Vancouver for Tanev.

Then Tanev + Backlund + ? to Toronto for Kadri.

That type of deal would be the Flames best bet as Toronto likely looks for a similar age stay at home d-man and a downgrade at center in return for Kadri.

The value likely isn't there in the deal above but it is something like that the Leafs will be looking for IMO. Think about what Seguin got but less then that.

That's an interesting idea.

[MolsonInBothHands]

Just don't trade the first rounder or #23. Open to anything else that injects some skill that can stick at this level.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by moon

Brodie is better Russell has ever been right now.

eeesh.....well, I hope you're right because I am a Brodie fan, but from a statistical point of view, there is no comparison this year. More goals, more assists, better +/-, more shots on goal, more blocked shots, and Brodie has played more games.....Russel is blowing him out of the water. full stop.

Perhaps Russel is getting the easier assignments, but they have also been paired together this year.

It's a small sample size, but aside from age factoring in here, one player has outperformed the other so far this year.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

We wont get Kadri. I think it would be cool if we did get him as I enjoyed watching him play last year - but we need a RW / D with some size and skill way before we try getting a soft/skilled C with a potentially questionable attitude.

For what we'd have to give up - we have other organizational needs and weaknesses in our prospect pool to address way before we try getting Kadri.

I'd only take him if we fleece Toronto, which probably wont happen since Nonis was trained by Burke..

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by TOfan

eeesh.....well, I hope you're right because I am a Brodie fan, but from a statistical point of view, there is no comparison this year. More goals, more assists, better +/-, more shots on goal, more blocked shots, and Brodie has played more games.....Russel is blowing him out of the water. full stop.

Perhaps Russel is getting the easier assignments, but they have also been paired together this year.

It's a small sample size, but aside from age factoring in here, one player has outperformed the other so far this year.

Russell has been great, but he has also been getting easier assignments (not taking anything away from him).

However, Brodie is a better all around defenseman now, and he is only 23.

Since this is a trade value discussion, Brodie has substantially more trade value than Russell and there is no way Brodie would be 'thrown into' a trade the way that Russell might.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Russell has been great, but he has also been getting easier assignments (not taking anything away from him).

However, Brodie is a better all around defenseman now, and he is only 23.

Since this is a trade value discussion, Brodie has substantially more trade value than Russell and there is no way Brodie would be 'thrown into' a trade the way that Russell might.

oh, I agree. Brodie would have considerable more value, and that's why the Flames might be more compelled to trade Brodie. They would get more for him.

Regardless, I don't see the Flames trading Brodie. In this specific case, why would the Leafs want Brodie anyhow when they already have Gardiner and Riely as young puck moving D?

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Backlund + Wideman for Kadri + Liles. The Leafs get a pretty decent upgrade on D and get a young defensive center who could thrive under Carlyle. Flames get a player with higher potential in Kadri and a cap dump which the Flames could keep or use a compliance buyout on in the summer

I would prefer to have both. There are other assets you can move...

The best proposal ive seen is the Cammi+Butler or even Wideman for Kadri and Liles... That would make sense for both teams aside from TO needing a Centre.

At this point, aside from Stajan, Backlund is our BEST center. Like it or not. Yes, some guys may have more upside than Backs but even Monahan isn't as good as Backlund.

Geez... the guy isn't even 25 yet... I sure hope Monahan leads the league in scoring by 23 or the CP faithful will be calling him a dud too...

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

I would prefer to have both. There are other assets you can move...

The best proposal ive seen is the Cammi+Butler or even Wideman for Kadri and Liles... That would make sense for both teams aside from TO needing a Centre.

At this point, aside from Stajan, Backlund is our BEST center. Like it or not. Yes, some guys may have more upside than Backs but even Monahan isn't as good as Backlund.

Geez... the guy isn't even 25 yet... I sure hope Monahan leads the league in scoring by 23 or the CP faithful will be calling him a dud too...

what?? two UFA's for Kadri?? on what planet does that make sense?

that's nonsense. Toronto wouldn't consider that for a second. Even if Cammalleri had three more years on his deal I would ask for more than a bottom pairing D-man who is about to become a UFA.

[FAN]

I'm not a fan of Kadri. I'll take the chance and acquire him if the price is a steal, but I suspect the cost of acquiring him and the cost to re-signing him would be unattractive.

[d_phaneuf]

if you think Kadri can be a top line center you deal for him here

because that's what he is going to want to be paid after next season, I don't see Brian Burke viewing him as that, so I doubt the Flames have interest

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Time to break the curse of trading with the Leafs and hopefully fleece them in a trade for once.

Cammy ($2 million retained) + Butler + 2nd Round Pick for Kadri + Liles

Maybe Burke can bribe Nonis by stating how he got him two GM jobs in the league by bringing him in as AGM and then getting fired.

I don't really want the Flames trading for Kadri but so far this trade proposal I like the best except downgrade the draft pick from 2nd to 4th. I like Cammalleri but I don't think there is a future for him here and if he's not traded, he will sign with a team that have a chance to win the Cup next season. Liles is just a throwaway and will just give TO some cap room. If we trade for him, I hope Burkie will not give up any prospect.

[Northendzone]

Nazem "the dream" khadri.....my guess is that Burke will leave the country for some reason just as the trade talk really heats up.....

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by OzSome

I like Cammalleri but I don't think there is a future for him here and if he's not traded, he will sign with a team that have a chance to win the Cup next season.

I suspect money/situation will be the biggest factor, he's only 31.

People thinking Cammy and Butler are going to get it done aren't being realistic. Toronto is going to want some quality back, not our spare parts.

[4oh3]

Cammy stajan for gardiner and kadri


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[Zulu29]

It'll take an overpayment to get Kadri and we aren't in the position to overpay. Besides, he's not that far removed from lurking in the AHL because of poor play. I'd rather take the assets we are gonna move to shore up the D and RW.

[Poe969]

We should be looking at trading away players for assets not the other way around

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Poe969

We should be looking at trading away players for assets not the other way around

The guy just turned 23, he is a top 2 centre and has ppg potential. That is an asset IMO.