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[Pointman]

Originally Posted by strombad

I believe he's taking issue with the aggressive nature of Russia's posturing. As members of a country who would greatly benefit from territorial expansion, is it not entirely fair to take issue with a country who appears to be an aggressive inconvenience to that effort?

I'm not sure what point you're making. He's allowed to be upset about Russia being the main hinderance to expansion.

So you want to claim the land that was considered international for centuries, simply because there's gas there, and you take issue with another country improving their army on nearby borders. I understand your point, I just do not see how this FU can look any warranted for neutral observer.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by nik-

As is the right of others to protest the ridiculous laws. Even Nazi Germany hid persecution of the Jews during the Berlin Olympics. So put that in perspective. The most horrible regime in history had the self awareness to leave their policy out of the Olympics, but not Putin's Russia.

That's not entirely true. Hitler's anti-jew policies and beliefs were well known and even supported in some ways on the world stage.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Cole436

That's not entirely true. Hitler's anti-jew policies and beliefs were well known and even supported in some ways on the world stage.

That's not what I said though, I said that they were halted during the Olympics. Something Russia is not doing.

[Pointman]

edited to be verified later

[rubecube]

Originally Posted by Pointman

And while we are at it,it turns out that this story, which was heavily discussed in this thread earlier, was fabricated. He did the stand out 29th June, the law was enforced on 1st July. Article says, that it was signed on 29th July, which is true, but it was signed to be effective since first July. The gay in question never was and never could be accused, charged and trialed under this law. Which is why you do not see any further news on the matter. It was just a PR move/lie prior to G20. Here you can see this guy's interview dated 22nd October and he's alive and well and is talking about gays being drafted to army. Never mentions that he allegedly was charged under this law. This just shows how much lie LGBT are spreading.

Tell us more about how you aren't homophobic...

[nik-]

I guess Pointman is another piece of evidence as to why this law is generally popular in Russia. God what a crappy country.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

The gay in question never was and never could be accused, charged and trialed under this law. Which is why you do not see any further news on the matter. It was just a PR move/lie prior to G20. Here you can see this guy's interview dated 22nd October and he's alive and well and is talking about gays being drafted to army. Never mentions that he allegedly was charged under this law.

He never mentions he was born from a woman either, that must mean he isn't human right? Your reasoning is flawed.

Maybe he was just waiting for his day in court. Unless Russia has a legal system that processes things next day...

Originally Posted by Pointman

This just shows how much lie LGBT are spreading.

This must be a lie too then. This says you are completely wrong about "never" being accused, charged, and tried. He got all those, and fined too. But that's the great thing about the style of mindset you are employing, everything that disagrees with it is a lie, so one can never be wrong! Woo!

Am I now supposed to say that this shows how much lie you are spreading?

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by rubecube

Tell us more about how you aren't homophobic...

I am reporter. I am reporting facts. I'm only showing that that story was fabricated because LGBT needed a PR wave coming into G20. I googled and found no reports on Isakov's trial, release and so on, and date mismatch is obvious. And I'm not homophobic, in fact, I am totally indifferent about LGBT issues per se, if you knew me a bit more, you would guess that I'm posting this because it was a lie about Russia, not because it was pro-LGBT lie.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I am reporter. I am reporting facts.

A pretty poor reporter it appears. Your definition of facts and how you draw your conclusions from them leave much to be desired (not to mention your Google skills, I found something in a few minutes, and I can't even search in Russian!).

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by photon

This must be a lie too then. This says you are completely wrong about "never" being accused, charged, and tried. He got all those, and fined too. But that's the great thing about the style of mindset you are employing, everything that disagrees with it is a lie, so one can never be wrong! Woo!

Am I now supposed to say that this shows how much lie you are spreading?

Now that's fresh news. I thought I waited long enough to check. I see nothing in Russian web on this though. Will wait for something to come out or not.

[Passe La Puck]

Originally Posted by Pointman

I am reporter. I am reporting facts. I'm only showing that that story was fabricated because LGBT needed a PR wave coming into G20. I googled and found no reports on Isakov's trial, release and so on, and date mismatch is obvious. And I'm not homophobic, in fact, I am totally indifferent about LGBT issues per se, if you knew me a bit more, you would guess that I'm posting this because it was a lie about Russia, not because it was pro-LGBT lie.

Being indifferent about their human rights does in fact make you homophobic.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by photon

A pretty poor reporter it appears. Your definition of facts and how you draw your conclusions from them leave much to be desired (not to mention your Google skills, I found something in a few minutes, and I can't even search in Russian!).

Actually, no, it seems like your acticle came out in between I wrote my post and you wrote yours. Kinda cute. That said, IF it will turn out to be true, I maintain my opinion, that he should never be fined for the law that was enforced later than the actual action, and such a appliance of law is, indeed, backwards.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by photon

Unless Russia has a legal system that processes things next day...

First two convicts were convicted next day.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

Actually, no, it seems like your acticle came out in between I wrote my post and you wrote yours. Kinda cute.

So the "fact" that the whole thing is a web of lies spun by the LGBT to precede the G20 depends on when you happened to Google it? Or what you happen to find? As I said your definition of facts and how you draw them is flawed.

Originally Posted by Pointman

That said, IF it will turn out to be true, I maintain my opinion, that he should never be fined for the law that was enforced later than the actual action, and such a appliance of law is, indeed, backwards.

Backwards law, backwards application. Garbage in, garbage out.

[photon]

Originally Posted by Pointman

First two convicts were convicted next day.

Some cities are more eager than others to get their hate on I guess?

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by photon

A pretty poor reporter it appears. Your definition of facts and how you draw your conclusions from them leave much to be desired (not to mention your Google skills, I found something in a few minutes, and I can't even search in Russian!).

Sadly, this is hardly uncommon in Russia. Ria Novosti and Voice of Russia were both shut down by Putin last week because they tried to present news in an unbiased fashion. The replacement will be nothing but government propaganda, and it seems that Pointman is angling for a job.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Pointman

So you want to claim the land that was considered international for centuries, simply because there's gas there, and you take issue with another country improving their army on nearby borders. I understand your point, I just do not see how this FU can look any warranted for neutral observer.

Yes. Again, what aren't you understanding about the validity of that?

You don't need to argue for Russia and be it's attack dog. Just understand that a Canadian is completely justified in any distaste towards Russia for posing a threat to our expansion. Russians are allowed to be equally miffed at Canada. I'm still struggling to see your point, but I have a strong feeling that you don't have one, you just take issue with anything that is even remotely negative towards Russia and demean any comments that are structured as such.

Both Russia and Canada are claiming that land, it will be no longer be international in the comparatively near future. In an us vs. them scenario where one loses and another wins, there will always be animosity before the outcome.

Perhaps you haven't heard of something called "the human condition". Maybe you didn't have any siblings growing up, but when you and your brother both want the last cookie, and your brother says "I'm prepared to beat you up for that cookie" then it's going to cause a bit of distaste. It's painfully simple.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Pointman

So you want to claim the land that was considered international for centuries, simply because there's gas there, and you take issue with another country improving their army on nearby borders. I understand your point, I just do not see how this FU can look any warranted for neutral observer.

I don't necessarily want it claimed. Strombad had it right. The aggressive nature of it is what I don't like. Its say sure if Canada is given the right we may respond violently. Our country is not mobilizing COMBAT READY troops. These troops include anti air craft and other missile propelling machinery. We aren't trying to invade Russia. Its unclaimed land. Yet Putin's seems to be preparing for conflict. Canada's foreign minister also shouldn't of said what he did but that was after Putin started using his military. They both want to claim it for their own for the purpose of more off shore drilling.

My point is anything to show an FU anyway to Russia I'm in for it till the stop having diffent phycotic leaders

[sureLoss]

Russians put a little rainbow into their uniforms

[Fozzie_DeBear]

It looks like they finger-banged the olympic logo