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Old 12-18-2013, 09:46 AM   #301
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Similar to Bobby Ryan too. Remember that when Burke threatened to fight Kevin Lowe, it was after Lowe called Ryan a bust.
clearly guys with size AND skill are not considered valuable to Lowe.

I really think Lowe should be ridiculed at every possible opportunity. He is the perfect embodiment of the word incompetent.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:49 AM   #302
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“We went over a few things,” Baertschi, five foot 11 and 190 pounds, continued. “At this point, he just wants to help me — and help me to be a better player, so he can use me at some point.”

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Old 12-18-2013, 10:03 AM   #303
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It's Sven's Heat debut tonight against the Vancouver Canucks affiliate.

Troy G. Ward on fan960 said he wants 6 to 10 shots a game! of out of Baertschi.

He'll be playing on a line with Reinhart and Granlund I think.

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Old 12-18-2013, 10:11 AM   #304
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6 to 10 shots a game is incredible. Is Ward expecting him to net 1 or 2 goals a game?
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:14 AM   #305
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He better not get 11 shots though. 4th line for life if he gets 11.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:17 AM   #306
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I actually think that the Flames should take the Red Wings approach and give all their young guys at least a half season in the AHL and preferably a full season.

I think back to the lockout and how a lot of those young guys that played during the AHL that season mentioned how well it prepared them for the NHL.

I think Sven should spend the rest of the season there and really let him get comfortable, gain some confidence, and learn how to play at the pro level on what hopefully continues to be a winning team.
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:18 AM   #307
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Ward was saying on 960, Baertschi needs touches to get his confidence back. Needs to have the puck on his stick and begin moving it quicker. Thought he was holding on to it for too long at times.
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Ward on Sven:

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:18 AM   #309
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I actually think that the Flames should take the Red Wings approach and give all their young guys at least a half season in the AHL and preferably a full season.

I think back to the lockout and how a lot of those young guys that played during the AHL that season mentioned how well it prepared them for the NHL.

I think Sven should spend the rest of the season there and really let him get comfortable, gain some confidence, and learn how to play at the pro level on what hopefully continues to be a winning team.
It also did wonders for the Oiler's kids.
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It also did wonders for the Oiler's kids.
To clarify I was talking about the full season lockout. Spezza, Staal, Getzlaf, Perry etc all mentioned how the full season in the AHL did wonders for their development.

I look at the Oilers as a case study on how not to develop top young players and they rushed all of them into the NHL even though they likely were not all ready (RNH, and Yakupov for sure were not ready). The Oilers may have played their young guys in the AHL but they treated them like Superstars that didn't have to play defense there too.

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Old 12-18-2013, 11:29 AM   #311
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Light it up Sven! Hope to see you back in the NHL soon.
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Old 12-18-2013, 12:15 PM   #312
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I don't see any problems with how the Flames have managed Sven or how Sven has responded to what has happened this season.

When people see high potential in you, they will push you harder - this is a good thing. Hartley and Burke are pushing Sven harder than many because he has the potential to be a better than average Top 6 forward.

Obviously Sven is going to be a bit down - he's human. He had a great taste last season and started this year in the NHL, so to get sent down now is going to suck for anyone. But his response so far (at least to the media) has been good and we'll get a chance to see how he responds on the ice, which I'd fully expect to also be good.
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To clarify I was talking about the full season lockout. Spezza, Staal, Getzlaf, Perry etc all mentioned how the full season in the AHL did wonders for their development.
Getzlaf and Perry didn't play in the AHL during the lockout except some playoff games. Both played a handful of games in their rookie seasons the year after but both under 20. Understand the sentiment but pretty bad examples.
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It also did wonders for the Oiler's kids.
They'd already been in the NHL for 2+ years, and all had a measure of success. Eberle had nearly been a PPG player, Hall and RNH were good but injury prone. The organizational anointing of those three players was not helpful for their

Giving prospects time in the AHL is never a bad thing.
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Old 12-18-2013, 09:29 PM   #315
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Uneventful game for Sven. 2 shots in a 4-2 loss. Strictly looking at the box score though
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Old 12-18-2013, 10:06 PM   #316
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It also did wonders for the Oiler's kids.
It did. Raffi Torres and Jarret Stoll likely had better NHL careers because of the 04/05 lockout. Same with Chuck Kobasew. And I am sure the last lockout didn't do their current group any harm.
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Old 12-19-2013, 02:59 PM   #317
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Watched the game last night. Sven played on a line with Granlund and Reinhart and saw time on the PP.

He seemed to try to do too much all game, relying on low percentage passes and trying to do too much deking around with Granlund. The combo didn't generate a ton, especially considering Granlund was riding an 11-game point-streak.

Heat are not the same team right now that got them to the top. They were also missing Ferland and Street last night, who are both major components to the offensive threat.

Sven even took an interference penalty while the Heat were on the PP looking to tie the game, and it eventually led to a 5-on-3 goal against to put it out of reach.

Very unfortunate night all around. I'm thinking a rebound night might be in order. Same team, same time tomorrow.
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6 to 10 shots a game is incredible. Is Ward expecting him to net 1 or 2 goals a game?
I like that Troy is giving him basic goals to focus on. Shooting and driving to the net with a purpose is a good start. Nice that he will have some play makers to feed him the puck instead of the other way around!
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Old 12-26-2013, 06:35 AM   #319
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So, 3 games in and still nothing to show for ? I'm assuming he gets a lot of PP and 1st / 2nd line time also?
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Old 12-26-2013, 08:41 AM   #320
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One really has to question our development program when kids like Sven come in riding all the promise in the world, and then hit a wall once they turn pro. It might explain why the Flames haven't been able to draft a top 6 quality player in 20 years. Just maybe.
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