[PGT] Flames 2 - Wings 3

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by Psytic

I still don't think he is good enough even when he is playing well. I still think a larger player is better suited to his role. What he offers is easily replaceable and with size is my point. Hes not bad hes just not offering anything that someone else can't with size. I say I don't like him every game, i'm not just waiting for a loss to express this opinion.

Clearly it is not easily replaceable or there would be a big, fast, large dude doing it.

But the point is moot if you just don't like him period.

[clancy]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Glencross had a solid game IMO. Think is is starting to show signs of life and a return to form....looked strong in the board battles and had his feet moving.

....queue the "he doesn't try/has no heart/doesn't care" crowd.

Cant diasagree more. He is on the wrong side of the puck frequently in our own end. His turnovers have been glaring. ( see detroits second goal)

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

His foot is still broken and he wasn't having a good game at all....no sense in playing him if it isn't going for him on a given night...from an injury perspective.

So you're saying the Flames are making him play with a broken foot? First I've heard it was still broken. Pretty dumb thing to do when we aren't anywhere near a playoff spot.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

So you're saying the Flames are making him play with a broken foot? First I've heard it was still broken. Pretty dumb thing to do when we aren't anywhere near a playoff spot.

They can't make a guy play so no I'm not saying that. He has a hairline fracture and it is pretty common to keep playing if a player can handle the pain and no more damage can be done. To clarify though, my assumption comes from experience and the fact he is still wearing a boot when he is not in a skate (as reported by Maher this morning).

[HelloHockeyFans]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

“@NHLFlames: "Presently, he's probably our best forward." - Hartley on @mbacklund11's play tonight #CGYDET”

Agree with Hartley's statement here. With Backlund's response (yes, it's a small sample size), hopefully people can see that Hartley's management of the younger players that matter is working... when players respond in the right way.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by clancy

Cant diasagree more. He is on the wrong side of the puck frequently in our own end. His turnovers have been glaring. ( see detroits second goal)

I guess what i am saying is he is progressing....he played a decent game last night and was hard on the cycle. Didn't count his mistakes that closely.

If that second goal is your idea of a glaring giveaway then yeah, Glencross had a bad game....just watched it again and he basically loses a board battle and has the puck stripped, Dastsyuk passes to Alfie...stretching to blame Glencross for that goal or even call it a giveaway.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Glencross had a solid game IMO. Think is is starting to show signs of life and a return to form....looked strong in the board battles and had his feet moving.

....queue the "he doesn't try/has no heart/doesn't care" crowd.

If that's what we're calling a 'solid' game from Glencross, the standards have dropped immensely.

If it wasn't for Ramo, Calgary wasn't in that game, and Glencross is sporting a -1 for a brutal no-look-backhand-pass-to-no-one-during-a-line-change-in-the-neutral-zone-on-the-powerplay.

He looked better than he has, but he's gotta bring a whole heck of a lot more intensity before we start categorizing these as 'good' glencross games.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I remember the last guy we had like that. What was his name again? ... oh right, Martin St. Louis.

Yes every under sized player will turn into St. Louis Clearly what was I thinking with Byron.

[getbak]

In the post game scrum last night, Hartley was asked if Monahan's lack of ice time was because of his health or his performance, and Hartley said it was performance related.

[Psytic]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Clearly it is not easily replaceable or there would be a big, fast, large dude doing it.

But the point is moot if you just don't like him period.

There will be. I don't see him sticking in a bottom six rôle past this year. If he elevates his offence and gets in the top 6 there might be hope but in a bottom six rôle he's not big enough.

If we ever want to be a championship team we can't have a guy that size in the bottom six. I don't see him making the cut if we ever want to be serious with Pacific powerhouses. I don't see Burke allowing it either. I don't think they see it as a big deal right now. They will just rotate abby guys to reward them in those bottom spots. He's not in the long term plans though don't kid yourselves, we have a number of guys that will take his spot next year or the year after quite easily. He gets the job done but we have better guys coming in the system let alone having to trade.

[BigFlameDog]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Glencross had a solid game IMO. Think is is starting to show signs of life and a return to form....looked strong in the board battles and had his feet moving.

....queue the "he doesn't try/has no heart/doesn't care" crowd.

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

I guess what i am saying is he is progressing....he played a decent game last night and was hard on the cycle. Didn't count his mistakes that closely.

If that second goal is your idea of a glaring giveaway then yeah, Glencross had a bad game....just watched it again and he basically loses a board battle and has the puck stripped, Dastsyuk passes to Alfie...stretching to blame Glencross for that goal or even call it a giveaway.

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If that's what we're calling a 'solid' game from Glencross, the standards have dropped immensely.

If it wasn't for Ramo, Calgary wasn't in that game, and Glencross is sporting a -1 for a brutal no-look-backhand-pass-to-no-one-during-a-line-change-in-the-neutral-zone-on-the-powerplay.

He looked better than he has, but he's gotta bring a whole heck of a lot more intensity before we start categorizing these as 'good' glencross games.

That's pretty much what I was saying.....didn't say "good". He appears to be progressing it what I am getting at.

[FlatLandFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by BigFlameDog

Glencross had a solid game IMO. Think is is starting to show signs of life and a return to form....looked strong in the board battles and had his feet moving.

....queue the "he doesn't try/has no heart/doesn't care" crowd.

not mocking his effort at all but he seems a touch behind in most situations. Love the guy ,but he obviously has not recovered his timing and his usual confidence since coming back.
needs more trucul... nah just needs to skate more when he gets skating his game comes together

[Hi-Psi]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I remember the last guy we had like that. What was his name again? ... oh right, Martin St. Louis.

This is the exception, not the rule... Remember that!

[Goodlad]

Originally Posted by Flames89

I remember the last guy we had like that. What was his name again? ... oh right, Martin St. Louis.

I think you mean Dawes. Nigel Dawes......

[Robo]

Why are people complaining about byron he has out produced just about every one on our team since being called up , is a beast on the pk and very dangerous with his speed. Just because he is small he works harder than most of our big vets and is more effective at knocking people off the puck, I would rather have him in our lineup playing big than some of our vets that play small.