[News] Feaster and Weisbrod relieved of duties. Burke will hire a new GM

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by moon

Since when did Gauthier become some big, dumb dope? If he was a Flames prospect he would be lauded for how great he was in the U-18, his size and being picked for Team Canada. He looks like a guy that is going to be a solid NHLer with top 6 upside.



Yes you would be off the wall and considering that Gaunce, Gauthier and Biggs are still developing nothing to indicate those are bad picks and the numerous Feaster picks that aren't playing in the NHL are great picks.



Burke has never built a team like that before so why would that be a concern now?



The TB team that Feaster built after the Cup was not very good and certainly not a skilled, puck possession team. The team he has built now is definitely not a skilled, puck possession team.

The closest team/s to your wish would be the Burke Canucks and Ducks so odd you want Feaster to stay but are worried about Burke when he has shown a much better ability at being able to create those teams you desire.

Darryl Sutters drafting philosophy being similar to Brian Burkes drafting philosophy is not indicative of whether their drafting is good or bad, nor is it indicative of anything regarding Jay Feasters drafting.

I think Brian Burke drafts players similar to to the players that Darryl Sutter would draft.

Whether they pan out or dont pan out is irrelevant to how they are in terms of similarity.

[Steve Bozek]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Uh, Burke was hired September 5. 6 months of evaluation would have placed this firing sometime in March. On my calendar it is December. So...

3 months or 6 months, the point remains. It doesn't look inspire confidence that Burke doesn't know the man after doing a "full evaluation". And from the other side, what's Weisbrod's value as Feaster's 2nd in command if he doesn't have much contact with the other key people in the organization?

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Darryl Sutters drafting philosophy being similar to Brian Burkes drafting philosophy is not indicative of whether their drafting is good or bad, nor is it indicative of anything regarding Jay Feasters drafting.

I think Brian Burke drafts players similar to to the players that Darryl Sutter would draft.

Whether they pan out or dont pan out is irrelevant to how they are in terms of similarity.

Burke isn't drafting for us. He probably recognizes his own shortcomings in the draft, which is why his GM search has a heavy emphasis on drafting and development records. He wants talent evaluators, and people who know how to get guys to the next level.

Burke supplies the overriding philosophy and vision. He hires the right people. He'll always be there to lend his expertise and muscle to the trade front when the GM needs his help. But worrying about his draft record right now seems like a waste of time.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

Darryl Sutters drafting philosophy being similar to Brian Burkes drafting philosophy is not indicative of whether their drafting is good or bad, nor is it indicative of anything regarding Jay Feasters drafting.

I think Brian Burke drafts players similar to to the players that Darryl Sutter would draft.

Whether they pan out or dont pan out is irrelevant to how they are in terms of similarity.

Is Mikael Backlund a guy that fits Darryl's philosophy? Are the twins? Is Nazim Kadri?

I think you are making way too much about there so called drafting strategy. Their strategy like everyone else is to draft the best player available.

Each guy has drafted a ton of different types of players, from all over the world.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Burke isn't drafting for us. He probably recognizes his own shortcomings in the draft, which is why his GM search has a heavy emphasis on drafting and development records. He wants talent evaluators, and people who know how to get guys to the next level.

Burke supplies the overriding philosophy and vision. He hires the right people. He'll always be there to lend his expertise and muscle to the trade front when the GM needs his help. But worrying about his draft record right now seems like a waste of time.

Sounds good to me.

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by moon

Is Mikael Backlund a guy that fits Darryl's philosophy? Are the twins? Is Nazim Kadri?

I think you are making way too much about there so called drafting strategy. Their strategy like everyone else is to draft the best player available.

Each guy has drafted a ton of different types of players, from all over the world.

There will always be outliers in any sort of selection process.

I hope that what happens is exactly what GreenLantern said in his rebuttle to my post. That a general manager with a very strong scouting and player development background gets hired.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboy2

There will always be outliers in any sort of selection process.

I hope that what happens is exactly what GreenLantern said in his rebuttle to my post. That a general manager with a very strong scouting and player development background gets hired.

Based on everything that Burke has said hard to not see that happening.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by moon

Based on everything that Burke has said hard to not see that happening.

So. Everybody still friends then?

[Hockeyboy2]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

So. Everybody still friends then?

I dunno man, Brian Burke and Jay Feaster were supposedly friends and look how that turned out for them?

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

So, Burke didn't really know Weisbrod? That strikes me as a bit of an odd thing then. Why fire a guy you didn't know? I would assume he talked to Weisbrod enough to figure out if he was a positive factor for the Flames, or a negative one - but perhaps Burke relieved him just out of association?

People are reading way too much into Weisbrod being fired. Burke said that whoever he hires as GM will bring in his own AGM. It doesn't matter who Feaster's AGM was, he was gonna be showed the door with Feaster so the new GM can have his own guy. No different than letting go the assistant coach when you fire the coach that brought him in.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by moon

Since when did Gauthier become some big, dumb dope? If he was a Flames prospect he would be lauded for how great he was in the U-18, his size and being picked for Team Canada. He looks like a guy that is going to be a solid NHLer with top 6 upside.



Yes you would be off the wall and considering that Gaunce, Gauthier and Biggs are still developing nothing to indicate those are bad picks and the numerous Feaster picks that aren't playing in the NHL are great picks.

Gauthier: 60 points in 62 games during his draft year. Currently has 24 points in 29 games this year. He has hands of stone and simply is not developing into a player who will ever score more than 20 points in the NHL. Sure he might play a strong two-way game, but bottom 6 forwards are simply not where you should be aiming in the 1st round. This is a player I singled out as one I didn't want the Flames to pick long before the draft.

Biggs: The poster boy of Burke-style draft picks. Currently 3 points in 22 AHL games. Leafs fans cannot stand him and have already labeled him a bust. If he's lucky, he might play 15 NHL games in callups during his 4th line AHLer career.

Gaunce: Has barely progressed since his draft year. Once again, another player I singled out as one I didn't want the Flames to draft. Hands of stone, poor skating, but above average two-way play. Just nothing to get excited about and no top 6 upside.

Sorry, these are terrible picks and you could tell they were bad from the day of the draft.

I don't want to be the team that passes up players like Ty Rattie or Tomas Jurco for Tyler Biggs. Burke is a stubborn man and won't admit when he's made mistakes.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Gauthier: 60 points in 62 games during his draft year. Currently has 24 points in 29 games this year. He has hands of stone and simply is not developing into a player who will ever score more than 20 points in the NHL. Sure he might play a strong two-way game, but bottom 6 forwards are simply not where you should be aiming in the 1st round. This is a player I singled out as one I didn't want the Flames to pick long before the draft.

Biggs: The poster boy of Burke-style draft picks. Currently 3 points in 22 AHL games. Leafs fans cannot stand him and have already labeled him a bust. If he's lucky, he might play 15 NHL games in callups during his 4th line AHLer career.

Gaunce: Has barely progressed since his draft year. Once again, another player I singled out as one I didn't want the Flames to draft. Hands of stone, poor skating, but above average two-way play. Just nothing to get excited about and no top 6 upside.

Sorry, these are terrible picks and you could tell they were bad from the day of the draft.

I don't want to be the team that passes up players like Ty Rattie or Tomas Jurco for Tyler Biggs. Burke is a stubborn man and won't admit when he's made mistakes.

Yeah, those guys suck. They're certainly no Andy Rogers, Vladimir Michalek, and Riku Helenius.

[Husky]

Maybe the Flames website is misleading but I feel like the "get bigger" issue is overblown.

Stempniak, Cammalleri, Russell, Baertschi and Hudler are the only guys below 6'. Depending on who you consider the rest of the team players the avg looks to be about 6.1'....I don't see this small. On the guys below 6', most likely 2 are gone (Stempniak and Cammalleri) and will be replaced by bigger guys.

Other than Gaudrea, we really haven't drafted a small guy either in the last 4 or so years too.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Husky

Maybe the Flames website is misleading but I feel like the "get bigger" issue is overblown.

Stempniak, Cammalleri, Russell, Baertschi and Hudler are the only guys below 6'. Depending on who you consider the rest of the team players the avg looks to be about 6.1'....I don't see this small. On the guys below 6', most likely 2 are gone (Stempniak and Cammalleri) and will be replaced by bigger guys.

Other than Gaudrea, we really haven't drafted a small guy either in the last 4 or so years too.

Average in the NHL these days is just under 6'2 and 205 pounds. Flames are small and need to get bigger. The defense is buttery soft.

[Husky]

Originally Posted by New Era

Average in the NHL these days is just under 6'2 and 205 pounds. Flames are small and need to get bigger. The defense is buttery soft.

So 1 inch difference? I don't see that as an issue. I would be much more concerned if the Flames were 5.10 avg or so.

Soft D? Gio plays tough, SoB plays tough, Smid plays tough, Wideman plays tough. The only non physical guys are Brodie, Russell and Butler. But they at least block shots.

[moon]

I think bigger is more of a mindset/playing style than necessarily all about physical size.

In terms of the defense I would say that only Gio, Smid, SOB play tough and SOB is a 6th/7th guy so hardly setting the tone for the team.

Up front we have the 4th line plus maybe Jones and Glencross, but those two are so inconsistent that it is hard to say they are a tough group.

In terms of guys who are below average in terms of physical/tough play you have Stajan, Cammy, Stempniak, Hudler, Baertschi, Russell, Wideman, Butler, Brodie, Backlund.

That is a good chunk of the top 9 and the top 4 defensemen. That doesn't mean that they all have to go but Burke would probably prefer a much better mix of tougher guys with the small soft guys.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Burke isn't drafting for us. He probably recognizes his own shortcomings in the draft, which is why his GM search has a heavy emphasis on drafting and development records. He wants talent evaluators, and people who know how to get guys to the next level.

Burke supplies the overriding philosophy and vision. He hires the right people. He'll always be there to lend his expertise and muscle to the trade front when the GM needs his help. But worrying about his draft record right now seems like a waste of time.

Not picking on Greenlantern but this statement just about sums up how I have seen the last few days. It is amazing how so many people are turning the reasons why they hate Feaster into a positive to love Burke.

In this example it is okay for Burke not to be doing the drafting, and to leave that to the team around him, but where Feaster has done this it is his fault that we have drafted badly (in some peoples opinion) over the last couple of years, not the team around him. So in next years draft none of it will be Burkes fault, regardless of what neanderthal goon we draft, it will be the people around him, can't wait to hear that excuse.

We all knew that we had a smallish team coming into this season but it was year one of the rebuild, these things do take time. We were not going to suddenly create out of thin air a brand new hard hitting, high IQ, 200ft game, amazingly skilled team, everyone here was on board with the change wouldn't happen over night. Now that Feaster has been fired it is his fault that we didn't change the team overnight, he should have just traded for for all of the other teams top players, that is what Burke apparently is going to do.

I think some peoples love of Burke is clouding their judgement on how he is going to pull off this swift one season rebuild and it starts with shifting out a lot of the prospects that we were excited to see develop.

[Coach]

I'm excited to see what Burke brings to the table and who he decides to bring in. I also think Feaster did a very good job cleaning up the mess that Darryl left behind.

Is it ok to like both?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

People are reading way too much into Weisbrod being fired. Burke said that whoever he hires as GM will bring in his own AGM. It doesn't matter who Feaster's AGM was, he was gonna be showed the door with Feaster so the new GM can have his own guy. No different than letting go the assistant coach when you fire the coach that brought him in.

I don't know about that.

Conroy is still there, for example.

[c.t.ner]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Is it ok to like both?

No. The internet is no place for compromise. You either love Burke or have sympathy for Feaster... there is no middle ground.