[News] Feaster and Weisbrod relieved of duties. Burke will hire a new GM

[PeteMoss]

^^^
Besides Petry... their top ice time guys are Schultz (who isn't short, but weak), Larsen, Eberle, hall, Ference, RNH. Petry would be after Larsen but before the forwards.

[FAN]

Originally Posted by moon

What is his proven track record as a college scout?

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

He did play a role in building the Bruins cup winning team but it's unclear how much. He's definitely unproven and as we heard yesterday according to Millions, Steinberg, etc. there were doubts around the league about his credentials.

Weisbrod was the Bruins' Director of Collegiate Scouting prior to coming here, so I don't understand why his credentials would be questioned. You can question a scout's ability, but when someone has actually held a specific position and is easily confirmable, that's someone's credentials.

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

I find that doubtful. King/Feaster maybe. Approval from Edwards on the money side, not the legal/logistics side.

Regardless, the legal error - if indeed there was one - was Feaster's. King's error - again, if there was one - was not forcing Feaster to get an opinion first from the League Office.

You're wrong. It was King and Edwards that forced that move.

And like I said in a thread where I mentioned this a while back, I will not reveal my source nor will I pm it to a mod. If people don't believe me that's fine.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Ark2

Even worse though was had Colorado not matched, and had O'Reilly not had to go through waivers, the Flames likely would have had to re-sign Iginla and not trade Bouwmeester. Imagine if the Avalanche had our first round pick last year. There's not a chance that Feaster would have moved our two best players only to result in the team getting worse and a conference rival getting a better first round pick.
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I'm glad things went as they did, at least compared to the scenario in your post, but can you clarify how by adding ROR, and not trading our 2 best players, we come out as a worse team?

[YogiBerra]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

^^^
Besides Petry... their top ice time guys are Schultz (who isn't short, but weak), Larsen, Eberle, hall, Ference, RNH. Petry would be after Larsen but before the forwards.

Out of that list i would say Ference holds his own, Petry and Hall at least play physically occasionally and the rest are typical oilers. Surprised Perron isn't leading them in ice time to be honest he should be the captain he's the only forward playing like he wants to be there every night. Brad marchand esque wish the flames had been able to pick him up even if he is another small forward he plays hard enough just surround him with some "beef" once we trade some people.

[moon]

Originally Posted by FAN

Weisbrod was the Bruins' Director of Collegiate Scouting prior to coming here, so I don't understand why his credentials would be questioned. You can question a scout's ability, but when someone has actually held a specific position and is easily confirmable, that's someone's credentials.

His proven track record as a college scout was listed as a pro and I was asking what this proven track record was. Having a job which has you the Head of College scouting isn't a proven track record or a pro if you haven't put guys into the NHL during that time.

If wikipedia is correct he joined Boston September of 2006 and was a pro scout for two years and left Boston to Calgary for 2011. Lets say he started College scouting for 2008 season leading into the 2009 draft and was part of Boston 2011 draft that is the 09/10/11 drafts he would have had an impact on. During that time Boston drafted 2 guys out of the NCAA that have not played a game in the NHL, but maybe a little early for them. They got Bartkowski in a deal so maybe he was involved with that part of it.

In Calgary he has again produced 0 games from the college picks although still early.

I am failing to see his proven track record here and don't see why it shouldn't be questioned if listed as a pro for him.

[ricosuave]

Hmm didnt like to read this...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...brod/?shawct=1

[Delthefunky]

No surprises there I guess.. When Burke was asked about Weisbrod, he said he didn't really even know him. That kind of bugs me, as a guy who was supposed to evaluate the staff. He'll end up somewhere else pretty quick I think.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by keenan87

20 year old Seguin for Baertschi and Monahan..

I would have done it.. Heck, i would have done Gaudreau+Monahan first though

OK, we have a do-over. Suppose Kane is actually available - how different is he from Seguin? Young, lots of upside, scored 30 at a young age, questionable attitude....maybe he doesn't have quite the same pedigree and play the same important position, but he's still upper echelon. What would you be willing to pay for him?

[strombad]

That article is a fine piece, but it really doesn't make much of a difference.

Weisbrod was let go because of his record, not because of what kind of person he was. He hadn't done overly well here, and as someone else mentioned I believe, you do not keep your AGM unless you intend to promote him to GM. Would he be fine? Sure. But he also helped build the soft team we current have.

I'd be upset if Hextall, Benning, Futa, or Fenton didn't all look like more suitable guys for the job, but they all do. Even if Burke hires a guy like Poulin, he's no worse than Weisbrod, but at least he's on the same wavelength as Burke.

[Steve Bozek]

[QUOTE=Delthefunky;4531557]... When Burke was asked about Weisbrod, he said he didn't really even know him.
That kind of bugs me, as a guy who was supposed to evaluate the staff...

Me too - I find that kind of scary on both sides. After almost 6 months of "evaluating" the staff Burke doesn't know the the 2nd in command after Feaster??? Conversely, where was Weisbrod during the 6 months, and why does nobody know him?

[Delthefunky]

I understand Weisbrod had to go if Feaster got canned..

I like some of the prospective GM's out there too, and I think the management hierarchy might work well with Burke and a guy like Futa (just learned who that was).

I don't think we're fully going to recognise Jay/John's contributions for a few years. Gilles/Gaudreau look really good, Poirier/Klimchuk look promising, Baertschi obviously. Jankowski I still hold out hope for. Monahan's a no brainer.

There were some good draft choices there.

After thinking about this for the last few days, the only thing I'm angry about is how much of a cluster#### the organization has appeared the last number of years. We're nowhere near Oilers bad, but we've had our fair share of messes. I want this management group to be set up properly, and then left alone to do what they do. No more back to the drawing board in 2 years time.

[Delthefunky]

Me too - I find that kind of scary on both sides. After almost 6 months of "evaluating" the staff Burke doesn't know the the 2nd in command after Feaster??? Conversely, where was Weisbrod during the 6 months, and why does nobody know him?

I think he did a lot of scouting, seeing how our prospects were doing, etc. Burke apparently had a lot of prior engagements and did his diligence for us around the league, but yeah to say he didn't really know him, I don't fully understand.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Delthefunky

I think he did a lot of scouting, seeing how our prospects were doing, etc. Burke apparently had a lot of prior engagements and did his diligence for us around the league, but yeah to say he didn't really know him, I don't fully understand.

It is something echo'd by even members of the media. It seems like Weisbrod excelled at aspects of his job but perhaps doesn't have strong interpersonal skills.

[Brando]

I find it really hard to evaluate Weisbrod and label him a bust. The players that he is most responsible for are still in the NCAA or rookies in the AHL. I think Jankowski, Hanowski, Agostino, Gillies, Sieloff, and Poirier are the guys he is most tied to and are all 2 or 3 years from really reaching their potential or showing if they will be players. Hopefully in 3 years we all look back at his firing as a huge mistake as these guys are still assets of the Flames organization.

[sureLoss]

Don't forget that Weisbrod was the 'hockey guy' that Feaster was supposed to be heavily consulting for hockey related moves.

If Burke came to the conclusion that Weisbrod was supporting or advised Feaster to make some of those bad decisions, its not surprising he is gone.

[moon]

Originally Posted by ricosuave

Hmm didnt like to read this...

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/f...brod/?shawct=1

It seems like most things said about Weisbrod it is very general and assumes a lot of things that don't seem to be true.

For example he was an "instrumental part of building the Bruins", how?

Bergeron, Krecji, Lucic, Marchand, Chara, Rask were all there before Weisbrod showed up. Seguin added after but that doesn't seem like something that would have been driven by Weisbrod. Maybe he was part of the Siedenberg deal but that is not exactly a instrumental part.

I guess maybe he stopped them from trading a bunch of those guys away but that seems unlikely.

The article also praises his work in Orlando while admitting the McGrady return was bad. He drafted Howard in a decision that was split roughly 50/50 amongst experts and could have been made by scouts not him. I guess good for him for getting the coin flip decision right but hard to judge it when we have no idea what role Weisbrod played.

[Table 5]

So have we heard from Feaster or Weisbrod yet?

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Table 5

So have we heard from Feaster or Weisbrod yet?

They are still under contract to the Flames. They won't say much until they are out of those contracts. Remember how quiet Keenan was until about a year after he was fired?

[Table 5]

Good point.