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Maybe I'm a bad driver, but the "stay in the right lane" thing has always boggled my mind. Take for example me driving along at 110km/hr on Deerfoot. People in the right lane are presumably going 90-100km/hr. I'm not constantly pulling into/out of the right lane because someone else wants to rip along at 125km/hr.
You are in the wrong then. You decided 10 km over was a good amount over. What happens when you come up to somebody doing 105? He doesn't want to pull over for somebody ripping along at 110.
Then he comes up to somebody who says "I am doing the maximum- 100. I'm not pulling over for somebody ripping along at 105.
Slower traffic keep right. There is no fine print that says as long as you are already doing the speed limit- keep in whatever lane you want.
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Maybe I'm a bad driver, but the "stay in the right lane" thing has always boggled my mind. Take for example me driving along at 110km/hr on Deerfoot. People in the right lane are presumably going 90-100km/hr. I'm not constantly pulling into/out of the right lane because someone else wants to rip along at 125km/hr.
Well you should be in the middle lane. It's not about who's in the right lane, it's about always leaving the farthest left lane open for people who want to pass. That holds true whether you are doing the speed limit or 140.
LOL, why take the most extreme position? Of course I move for emergency vehicles. I didn't say I was a complete jerk.
Having to move when you could have been in the middle lane is the issue.
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You are in the wrong then. You decided 10 km over was a good amount over. What happens when you come up to somebody doing 105? He doesn't want to pull over for somebody ripping along at 110.
Then he comes up to somebody who says "I am doing the maximum- 100. I'm not pulling over for somebody ripping along at 105.
Slower traffic keep right. There is no fine print that says as long as you are already doing the speed limit- keep in whatever lane you want.
I suppose that's a fair point. It just seems silly to leave a lane wide-open, just in case someone wants to go faster.
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Well you should be in the middle lane. It's not about who's in the right lane, it's about always leaving the farthest left lane open for people who want to pass. That holds true whether you are doing the speed limit or 140.
I guess its true that its not my place to police how fast people go, so if someone wants to go 140km/hr then it is what it is. Probably a fair comment.
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Having to move when you could have been in the middle lane is the issue.
You're just being ridiculous. No one thinks that the left lane ought to always be clear just in case there is an emergency vehicle that needs passage. Obviously people should get out of their way, but you don't have to drive in the right hand lane at all times in case of that possibility.
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I suppose that's a fair point. It just seems silly to leave a lane wide-open, just in case someone wants to go faster.
I am still a little "wrong" in that I will cruise along the left lane doing 110. Having driven in Europe, I know how efficient it is when that lane is open for somebody going much faster than you. However when I am doing 110 in the fast lane, I always watch for cars going faster. If that means I have to move into the middle lane and slow to 105 to let the guy doing 125 pass, so be it.
The guy doing 125 will do 125. It is sooooo much safer for him to be doing 125 in the left lane than having him try to get over to the right, pass on the right, and then swing back over.
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No one thinks that the left lane ought to always be clear just in case there is an emergency vehicle that needs passage.
Tell that to the CPS officer who was venting about it on the news last week.
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If the legal speed limit is 110, why should we leave the left lane open to allow people illegally going over 110 pass (other than emergency vehicles)? That's the question I always have in mind even though I do the +10km/h thing when I drive on QE2.
I'm not constantly pulling into/out of the right lane because someone else wants to rip along at 125km/hr.
To make sure we're on the same page, define constantly in this context.
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Why not? Are you physically incapable of doing so? I guess you must be a bad driver then.
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To make sure we're on the same page, define constantly in this context.
Well in reality, I do pull over let people rip by. I do sometimes make them wait though, if there are a few cars say going 100 and I'm going 110 in the fast lane. I could pull over behind the cars going 100 and slow down, but why should I? (I just realised how entitled and arrogant that sounds, btw!)
But no, I'm not incapable. I guess I'm either bad or ignorant though. I might even change my driving position based on me thinking about this as I type it this morning though!
Why does everyone always have to be such a contrarian on the road? It's like people go out of their way to screw everyone else over just to make themselves feel good.
It's been shown again and again how making the left lane a passing lane is more efficient for traffic, but no, there's always some guy out there who thinks he's the sheriff of the road. Meanwhile, the actual cops are telling you to move the eff over.
Don't be that guy, Slava!
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Seeing as this thread is already derailed - I've often wondered what a good tolerance to hanging out in the fast lane is. On one extreme there is the struggler that just doesn't get it and on the other extreme there is the guy that is constantly in and out of both lanes.
If I'm in the passing lane and a car coming up behind me is going faster I'll obviously get out of the way if I can. However, if I'm in the passing lane and there is a large gap a few cars ahead I often try to pass all 3 or 4 cars before changing lanes. I'm not going to slow down and change lanes just to speed back up again so that I can save the guy behind me a few seconds.
The left lane is the passing lane so as long as I'm actively passing cars I feel quite content in staying in that lane. I would never hang out in the fast lane at 110km/hr as a means of policing traffic but if I'm passing cars going 95km/hr and I'm going 110km/hr I'm going to wait until a safe gap on the right side to let the guy going 125km/hr through.
As long you are actively passing, you can stay in the passing lane. The problem is when people start "cruising" in that lane. No matter how fast you think you are going, there will always be someone faster and you will impede traffic sooner or later.
If you are passing a whole group of cars while someone comes up behind you, keep going of course...you may of course need to adjust your speed, but keep going till you can safely move over. But if there is a car right behind you, chances are, you're in the wrong lane.
It's pretty simple.
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Slower traffic keep right. There is no fine print that says as long as you are already doing the speed limit- keep in whatever lane you want.
Nothing angers me more on the highway then those people who are driving in and out of lanes going 140 acting like they need to get somewhere faster then everyone else. I have a vehicle that is speed monitored (work vehicle) so I can truck along at about 115. When I pull out to pass someone going 110 it can take me a bit of time and while I am passing nothing makes me happier then to see one of those 140 joes in my rearview miror losing his mind because he is stuck behind me. There are times when I even let up on the gas a little or make a really slow lane change to let him pass me. That's my pleasure, I love it, it is one of the pure joys in life. Then when they finally get to go around me I give them a big grin and wave. Just as much as 140 joe loves to tail slow pokes on the road I love to hold him up and always will (it's like a fun game for me).
Dennis leary summed it up just about perfect when he sang "I drive ultra slow, in the ultra fast lane, while people behind me are going insane"
But being wrong never felt so right. Now its time to make my commute home for the day, I am going to drive an extra couple K slower in the fast lane tonight for all of the CPer's out there.
Don't we already have a downtown-to-downtown service called the Red Arrow? I have taken it a couple of times and it's great. You can relax and don't have to worry about driving. And it is not expensive either.
But being wrong never felt so right. Now its time to make my commute home for the day, I am going to drive an extra couple K slower in the fast lane tonight for all of the CPer's out there.
I'm an @sshole and I'm proud of it!!
I think tail gating is the most dangerous and stupid thing you can do on the road, however, I would argue contributing to road rage, and extending the length someone is tailgating you by moving over as slow as possible is also dangerous.
