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djsFlames · 12-12-2013, 01:10 PM

Agreed about Weisebrod.

I was getting to like his college hockey scouting/approach. Nothing wrong with having a guy like that perched on the GMs shoulder.

A little worried with the rashness of this decision.

But I guess it's Burkie's show now.

ResAlien · 12-12-2013, 01:11 PM

I like it. Burke's first comment that the team is too small and not mean enough is correct IMO.

dino7c · 12-12-2013, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by codynw

I must have missed/forgotten something, how did he almost give away the 6th overall pick?

really? offer sheet to ROR, Flames would have lost the pick and had to put him on waivers as per the CBA if Colorado hadn't matched

polak · 12-12-2013, 01:12 PM

If Baertschi is traded in a "big move" for a vet star this team can go straight to hell.

Don't mind Feaster being cut but this scares me cause it makes me believe people in the organization are being impatient with the rebuild.

I swear to god if one of our good prospects are lost this team will go through another extended young guns phase.

timbit · 12-12-2013, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by djsFlames

Agreed about Weisebrod.

I was getting to like his college hockey scouting/approach. Nothing wrong with having a guy like that perched on the GMs shoulder.

A little worried with the rashness of this decision.

60-75 days of thorough evaluation is hardly rash.

Serapth · 12-12-2013, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by PeteLFan

Anyone that is contacted and given the chance to become a NHL GM will take it. 30 jobs, don't come along that often, when you are given the chance you take it, especially if it's a scout or someone. These chances don't always come around.

That's why I said "worth anything". Sure we can easily fill the position... but filling it with an unknown seems like a very bad idea to me.

dino7c · 12-12-2013, 01:14 PM

how many top end NHL players came form the NCAA? there are a few but not that many

Husky · 12-12-2013, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

how many top end NHL players came form the NCAA? there are a few but not that many

Not many go the college route to get education to begin with. So its kind of a moot point.

Parallex · 12-12-2013, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

NHL calibre shot
And nothing else even AHL calibre.

That was my determination as well.

Hard accurate shot with a very quick release... skating? WHL average (at best), invisible on the backcheck, invisible on the forecheck, below WHL average vision.

dino7c · 12-12-2013, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Husky

Not many go the college route to get education to begin with. So its kind of a moot point.

when half your prospects are from the NCAA its far from moot

dino7c · 12-12-2013, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

If Baertschi is traded in a "big move" for a vet star this team can go straight to hell.

Don't mind Feaster being cut but this scares me cause it makes me believe people in the organization are being impatient with the rebuild.

I swear to god if one of our good prospects are lost this team will go through another extended young guns phase.

this is a first, over reacting to a move that hasn't happened yet...not sure what Sven has done to become an untouchable amongst the fan base

Serapth · 12-12-2013, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by dino7c

how many top end NHL players came form the NCAA? there are a few but not that many

More than you think.

Mike Cammalleri, Stepniak and Glencross are all from NCAA.

Phil Kessel, Ryan Miller, Jack Johnson, Zach Parise are a few names on the list

From the NCAA site:

Once a hidden gem of hockey talent, college hockey has become one of the biggest suppliers of talent to the NHL, surpassing all Europe.

trackercowe · 12-12-2013, 01:22 PM

Surprising move today, but it's something that should have been done a long time ago.

Feaster did alright recently, but he's still one of bottom GM's in the league. What's the point in hanging onto him only because he made one or two decent moves? Even the worst GM's can make good moves occasionally, but that doesn't mean the team is better off long-term keeping them around.

dino7c · 12-12-2013, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Serapth

More than you think.

Mike Cammalleri, Stepniak and Glencross are all from NCAA.

Phil Kessel, Ryan Miller, Jack Johnson, Zach Parise are a few names on the list

From the NCAA site:

Once a hidden gem of hockey talent, college hockey has become one of the biggest suppliers of talent to the NHL, surpassing all Europe.

Surpassing europe in quantity but not quality...there are a few for sure. Stepniak and Glencross aren't top end guys

genetic_phreek · 12-12-2013, 01:24 PM

is Feaster post Apex?

Righteous1 · 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM

didn't Towes and Karyia take the college route?

djsFlames · 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

60-75 days of thorough evaluation is hardly rash.

I haven't heard/seen whatever press release has been given from Burke yet, so if that's what he said then alright... 2.5 months of evaluation is still considered rash to me. 8-12 months allowing some for some patience in watching the current management which has already been established (and seemingly had a direction they were trying to work towards) would make me more comfortable with the decision.

Weisbrod imo was especially rash as, to me, he was an solid addition and a valuable resource for the organization that didn't need to be cut in order to adjust the overall direction.

codynw · 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM

Could be wrong, but didn't Toews play in the NCAA too?

Vinny01 · 12-12-2013, 01:25 PM

Sutter got the Flames to contender status but he left Jay with an aging roster, no prospects ready to step in, and little cap room. King wanted someone who was going to keep trying to win with Iggy and Kipper until the final year of Iggy's deal. Feaster nearly locked up Brad Richards to a cap hell contract and the O'Rielly fiasco. He did manage to add solid prospect depth, make a good trade for Cammy, and sign solid UFA's in Hudler and Wideman.

Jay basically managed this team to the ground but was dealt a pretty rough hand. The Regehr, Iginla, Bouwmeester trades all underwhelmed at first glance. Intellectual Honesty, "find another GM if you want a rebuild" etc.

I think Brian Burke is highly respected, knowledgable, and very hard working. I feel like the Flames are in better hands moving forward. I no longer fear Stajan is going to be re-signed. I do think Sven could be dangled in a trade this year in a package for O'Rielly, or Kane

GirlySports · 12-12-2013, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Keeping Bouwmeester for one more year would have been terrible asset management. You think a 30 year old UFA would've stayed for a rebuild?

If the answer was no, and you held onto him for another year, we'd likely be slightly higher in the standings this year than now. So what would you have after this year? Maybe two first round draft picks this year with likely a slightly worse one for their own pick. Instead we got three firsts in a much, much deeper draft last year and lively a better one this year.

Totally the right move

That's fine but then you have to get more in the deal. Trade him earlier in the season.

Plus you don't know if he'll go for FA. Keep him, sign him to a 3-4 extension this summer and see if he takes it.

The return was simply too low compared to what other teams were getting for much worse players.