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Old 12-08-2013, 02:50 PM   #21
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I'm hoping the Flames trade Stajan (2nd round), Stempniak (2nd round) and Cammalleri (1st round).

From there target a few 26-29 year old guys on contracts for say 2-4 years. Guys like Bolland, Callahan, Girardi.

I know most people hate Downie but he brings an edge that the Flames lack in their top 9, plus hes a RW.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:13 PM   #22
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Quite a few goalies to consider if one or both of Berra and Ramo don't work out

Flames still suck at faceoffs. Ian McClement would be nice
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:30 PM   #23
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you'd think Stajan could fetch a first the way he's playing this year.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:35 PM   #24
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How about 28 year old C Brian Boyle... 6-7 244.. who plays hard and is good in the Face-off circle. The Flames would have a real 3rd line checking centre who plays better in the playoffs.... bonus he would be able to interpret Boston to English for Gaudreau. Currently makes 1.7 M.

He would be a Stajan replacement at basically the same $ and have clearer role and expectations.... Maybe Backlund gets moved and the Flames hang onto Stajan.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:38 PM   #25
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Re-sign Stempniak, but if you can't I like to see Mason Raymond. I wanted the Flames to sign him this year.
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I'd take a long look at Matt Moulson but I wouldn't overpay. Tavares may have helped his game but he's still a good player without him and was a better fit for that team than Vanek. If the bidding gets out of control go to plan B as I'm sure the Leafs would like a mulligan on Clarkson. That said I think Moulson is a better player than Clarkson.

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Re-sign Stempniak, but if you can't I like to see Mason Raymond. I wanted the Flames to sign him this year.
He's been good for the Leafs and has proven he can play.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:50 PM   #28
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you'd think Stajan could fetch a first the way he's playing this year.
I don't think so but the team should be able to get a handful of 2nd and 3rd round picks for guys like Cammalleri (maybe a 1st, maybe) and Stajan.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:51 PM   #29
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Did I miss Ryan Callahan in the UFA list?

Dang! Snatch him up too! Although in reality, Callahan is going nowhere. He's the Rangers captain.

Setoguchi is interesting as well. But I doubt he signs here. Just a guess on my part.

RW and D should be the Flames' targets this off season and I think it's a fairly safe bet that will be the route they take. I really don't want to replace Stajan with a UFA center or bring him back. Would rather take the chance and get some of the other centers they have into the starting line up next season.

Who knows? Bill Arnold may take the jump next season straight to the NHL.
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Old 12-08-2013, 03:59 PM   #30
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If there is any hope on Callahan not getting signed, I hope the Flames are all over him. RW is so weak for us, and he's still very young and a leader. Very slim chance he's avaliable but Rangers really painted themselves into a corner for next year, with 10 guys signed for 40 million and needing to re-sign practically their whole D-corps.

Besides him, or Setoguchi as a placeholder to fill up cap space for a year or two, don't have much interest in many of the FAs. More likely to find value through trades.

Of our own guys, the way Stajan has played this year you have to try to get a good deal for him at the deadline, I don't really want them to resign him, but if we don't trade him it wouldn't be the end of the world if we re-sign him.

Cammalleri either gets traded at the deadline, or gets an extension at the deadline. If he's content to stay in Calgary I'm sure Calgary is content paying him good money for another year or 2.

Stempniak I wouldn't re-sign, he's been decent for us but it's about time for him to move on.
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Also, if the Rangers want to give away Brad Richards and chip something in, I would take him.

He's still a 60 point center and a good leader. He would be a good mentor for all the kids coming up. Yes he makes 6.67 for the next 6 seasons. That is a lot right now in terms of cap, but in 3 years, that'll look a lot more like a 5 million dollar contract. Plus the last 3 years he only makes 1 million dollars each year. That will make him very very attractive to teams looking to hit the floor but don't want to spend a lot.

If we move Cammalleri out, which I really hope we do in terms of the rebuild, getting Richards off the Rags would replace that presence on the team and would be a better player than the other UFA guys. It's also not like we are anywhere near the cap, and are not likely going to be near it any time soon.
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Also, if the Rangers want to give away Brad Richards and chip something in, I would take him.

He's still a 60 point center and a good leader. He would be a good mentor for all the kids coming up. Yes he makes 6.67 for the next 6 seasons. That is a lot right now in terms of cap, but in 3 years, that'll look a lot more like a 5 million dollar contract. Plus the last 3 years he only makes 1 million dollars each year. That will make him very very attractive to teams looking to hit the floor but don't want to spend a lot.

If we move Cammalleri out, which I really hope we do in terms of the rebuild, getting Richards off the Rags would replace that presence on the team and would be a better player than the other UFA guys. It's also not like we are anywhere near the cap, and are not likely going to be near it any time soon.
No way you trade for him, his contract is more toxic than Luongo's. Let the Rangers buy him out, and talk to him as a UFA. I think the Rangers would rather compliance buyout him than trade him too.
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Old 12-08-2013, 04:55 PM   #33
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No way you trade for him, his contract is more toxic than Luongo's. Let the Rangers buy him out, and talk to him as a UFA. I think the Rangers would rather compliance buyout him than trade him too.
It's not like he's complete garbage. He'd be our best or 2nd best player this year, behind Hudler.

Why I wouldn't mind it is that it is somewhat similar to the Blackhawks acquiring Brian Campbell when they were still not a good team. He helped take pressure off Keith and Seabrook and was a stabilizing force on their back end and helped them win. Yes they got a mediocre return, but his influence was valuable.

Also, while the cap hit is slightly high (Should be 5.75 instead of 6.67) you will get him for nothing and might get an asset for them to get out from under it. We have 35 million dollars in cap space with nobody really requiring huge re-sign contracts. Monahan is 2 years away from the end of his ELC and none of the other guys need exorbitant contracts any time soon. We do need to hit the floor in the short term and at the end of the contract, teams like Florida would pay to get that contract because they don't have to spend much money and they get a huge cap hit allowing them to keep their costs down while they hit the floor.

Plus he'll help the Gaudreaus, the Monahans, the Poiriers learn how to play at the NHL level and how to win. We need to get players that have winning experience. Hudler was one of those type of guys and while it's not ideal, Richards would be another.
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No way you trade for him, his contract is more toxic than Luongo's. Let the Rangers buy him out, and talk to him as a UFA. I think the Rangers would rather compliance buyout him than trade him too.
He's been okay this season but when you look at what's left on the deal I would think the Rangers will think long and hard and would be surprised if they don't buy him out at the end of the season. He simply doesn't look like a player that is getting better with age and will be able to play anywhere near the level expected of that contract.
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Heatley.

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Heatley.

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A good mentor for our young group.
A leader who can help teach the right attitude to our squad.
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Old 12-08-2013, 05:30 PM   #37
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Sign them all to 1 year deals. Trade them all at the deadline for 1st round picks. Draft McDavid.

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Old 12-08-2013, 05:30 PM   #38
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It's not like he's complete garbage. He'd be our best or 2nd best player this year, behind Hudler.

Why I wouldn't mind it is that it is somewhat similar to the Blackhawks acquiring Brian Campbell when they were still not a good team. He helped take pressure off Keith and Seabrook and was a stabilizing force on their back end and helped them win. Yes they got a mediocre return, but his influence was valuable.

Also, while the cap hit is slightly high (Should be 5.75 instead of 6.67) you will get him for nothing and might get an asset for them to get out from under it. We have 35 million dollars in cap space with nobody really requiring huge re-sign contracts. Monahan is 2 years away from the end of his ELC and none of the other guys need exorbitant contracts any time soon. We do need to hit the floor in the short term and at the end of the contract, teams like Florida would pay to get that contract because they don't have to spend much money and they get a huge cap hit allowing them to keep their costs down while they hit the floor.

Plus he'll help the Gaudreaus, the Monahans, the Poiriers learn how to play at the NHL level and how to win. We need to get players that have winning experience. Hudler was one of those type of guys and while it's not ideal, Richards would be another.
I actually agree... Richards would be great if he becomes available. If Calgary does move out Cammy, and other vets at the deadline then bringing him in the youth can still be somewhat sheltered and be slowly moved into stronger roles. I like having a top line of vets, and keep peppering the kids into the lineup.

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Old 12-08-2013, 05:38 PM   #39
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If you look at Richards contract beyond this year, he has 2 years at 8.5 million and one at 7 coming after this season. The last 3 years are 1 million in actual dollars.

So if you look at it in the prism of having him for three years only as you'll easily be able to trade him to a Phoenix/Florida or other cap floor team, then that's not bad. Yes he's overpaid, but does that really matter in our current situation?

Some people want to keep Cammalleri for a few years, what's the real difference between them? The cap hits in each case would likely be roughly equivalent if you kept Cammy for 3 years. The production would likely be in the same ball park.

If you deal Cammalleri, you'll get a 1st + at the deadline. If you acquire Richards, you might be able to get a decent asset in addition to Richards just so they don't have to buy him out.

In terms of asset management, to me it's a win. We get an equivalent player to Cammalleri for beyond this year, and we get to trade Cammalleri for assets to further the rebuild.
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Richards did not want to come to Calgary. No thanks.
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