2013 NCAA football thread

[moon]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I didn't say anything of the sort. leave it to the moon/transplant tandem to take a very obvious concept and spin it into something else. I just pointed out that hockey players act like thugs as well.

And btw not relevant to the thug bruin last night, but relevant to the moon/transplant tangent: Sure Heatley didn't get convicted of murder, but that doesn't make that kid less dead. Or Heatley less responsible. Solid contributions by you two tho, thanks.

The difference between accidently killing your friend in a situation he voluntarily put himself into and murdering people is much different, especially when you are talking about thugs.

Sorry for pointing out the garbage in your original premise. Continue on in your little bubble only looking for things you like to hear and go after the posters when you have no rebutal for the flaws they point out in your argument.

[nik-]

who cares guys ... seriously?

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Flames in 07

I didn't say anything of the sort. leave it to the moon/transplant tandem to take a very obvious concept and spin it into something else. I just pointed out that hockey players act like thugs as well.

And btw not relevant to the thug bruin last night, but relevant to the moon/transplant tangent: Sure Heatley didn't get convicted of murder, but that doesn't make that kid less dead. Or Heatley less responsible. Solid contributions by you two tho, thanks.

What a load of crap. Shouldnt expect anything more though.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by moon

The difference between accidently killing your friend in a situation he voluntarily put himself into and murdering people is much different, especially when you are talking about thugs.

Sorry for pointing out the garbage in your original premise. Continue on in your little bubble only looking for things you like to hear and go after the posters when you have no rebutal for the flaws they point out in your argument.

Wasn't Danny Drunk when the wreck happened?

[moon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Wasn't Danny Drunk when the wreck happened?

Nope

[PIMking]

I stand corrected.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Who would be your 64 teams?

OK here's my try. Basically you have 5 major conferences right now, PAC12, B10, BigXII, ACC, SEC. One of those needs to blow up, and to me the BigXII is the best candidate, sort of because of geography, but mostly because its the worst run conference in major NCAA ball, it should be called Texas and friends.

So out west:
all PAC12 teams, UT, TTech, TCU and Baylor

SEC: keep the existing 14 and add WVa and KSU

ACC: keep the existing 14 and add Louisville and UCF

B10: keep the existing 12 and add OU, OSU, ND, Rutgers


No matter what you do there's bubble teams, and geography issues but that's my cut at it. This would keep the conference championships as relevant as possible and tie into a 4 team playoff with the winners. Or they could just forget it and stick with a simple 2 team final.

[moon]

Originally Posted by nik-

They had a chance if Mizzou won in a really ugly game and OSU lost. No way in hell now.

edit: I still think they're the best team in the country. I'm obviously biased though.

I despise Saban and Alabama and I would say they are without doubt the best team in the country.

Auburn has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

I think if the iron bowl is played 10 times Alabama wins 8 times, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by moon

I despise Saban and Alabama and I would say they are without doubt the best team in the country.

Auburn has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

I think if the iron bowl is played 10 times Alabama wins 8 times, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

+1. I think Auburn has earned their spot in the NC, but I think Alabama is a much better team than Auburn.

[moon]

I agree, under the current set up they certainly have "earned" they way in. But that is because the BcS is designed around winning/losing at the right time or playing a cupcake schedule so you don't lose. It has nothing to do with trying to get the two best teams to play each other for the title.

[KelVarnsen]

I haven't been following, what is moon on about now that everyone seems to disagree with?

[moon]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

I haven't been following, what is moon on about now that everyone seems to disagree with?

What the hell is point of this post other than to point out that you are clueless?

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by moon

I despise Saban and Alabama and I would say they are without doubt the best team in the country.

Auburn has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

I think if the iron bowl is played 10 times Alabama wins 8 times, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

How does a playoff change anything though?

Hypothetical scenario:
Bama is undefeated this year going into the playoffs and plays some 11-1 team.

The 11-1 team has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

If the game is played 10 times between Alabama and the 11-1 team, Alabama wins 8, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

It's the same damn thing.....

[moon]

Originally Posted by wpgflamesfan

How does a playoff change anything though?

Hypothetical scenario:
Bama is undefeated this year going into the playoffs and plays some 11-1 team.

The 11-1 team has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

If the game is played 10 times between Alabama and the 11-1 team, Alabama wins 8, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

It's the same damn thing.....

It doesn't really change all that much and I don't think a play-off is cure all solution to everything and we can come up with hypotheticals to point that out all day.

But at least in that scenario Alabama made it to a play-off and lost there and isn't out because their loss came in November while Auburn lost early.

Not much of a difference to some losing in regular season or losing in the play-offs but for me I would prefer the shot at least in the play-offs rather than just being out because there is nothing like that set up.

[wpgflamesfan]

Originally Posted by moon

It doesn't really change all that much and I don't think a play-off is cure all solution to everything and we can come up with hypotheticals to point that out all day.

But at least in that scenario Alabama made it to a play-off and lost there and isn't out because their loss came in November while Auburn lost early.

Not much of a difference to some losing in regular season or losing in the play-offs but for me I would prefer the shot at least in the play-offs rather than just being out because there is nothing like that set up.

Under either scenario (what actually happened or my fictions scenario) Bama still had their shot, and still is out because their loss came in November/December while Auburn/the 11-1 team lost early. Calling it a playoff game really means nothing at the end of the day.

The playoffs would provide a "redemption" game for bama, but in my mind that just takes away from the regular season.

I think a playoff could work, but you'd probably have to set up 4 super-conferences with 2 eight team divisions in each, everyone plays the other 7 teams in their division, then the top 2 teams from each division play in a conference playoff, followed by the national championship playoff with the 4 conference winners.

[Senator Clay Davis]

If you want a playoff to seriously be decided by the best teams, you need to do the opposite of big superconferences. You need to be realistic about who can actually win a national title and cut the fat. I'd say you could go with four 8 team conferences, two divisions of 4 per conference, and that 32 teams is fair. You play each team in your division twice (home and home) and each team from the other division once. Then you have your two division champs play for the conference title, and the four team playoff is set.

[Flames in 07]

Originally Posted by moon

It doesn't really change all that much and I don't think a play-off is cure all solution to everything and we can come up with hypotheticals to point that out all day.

But at least in that scenario Alabama made it to a play-off and lost there and isn't out because their loss came in November while Auburn beat them fair and square.

Not much of a difference to some losing in regular season or losing in the play-offs but for me I would prefer the shot at least in the play-offs rather than just being out because there is nothing like that set up.

Just fixed that up for you, and it points out kinda the obvious. Head to head, Alabama lost. End of story, end of Bama's season.

it doesn't matter how many times Alabama could beat Auburn out of 10. Fact is, they didn't, not in a hypothetical series, but in a real life, meaningful Iron Bowl. Bama doesn't deserve to be NC this year, just get over it. Easily the top 2 teams that deserve to be there, are. Same as last year, same as the year before.

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by moon

I despise Saban and Alabama and I would say they are without doubt the best team in the country.

Auburn has an insanely lucky hail mary win and a very lucky win against Alabama and all of a sudden they are going to the NC game because they lost early and have 1 loss?

I think if the iron bowl is played 10 times Alabama wins 8 times, probably 9 or 10 if on a neutral field or in Tuscaloosa.

It takes luck to win a title, Bama's last two titles had 3 top five teams lose the week after the lost to put them right into the title game again.

I'm tired of hearing luck luck luck crap...

sorry

[PIMking]

the playoff needs to be top four teams in rankings regardless of conference.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by PIMking

the playoff needs to be top four teams in rankings regardless of conference.

But the problem here is that Alabama isn't at risk due to not having to play a conference championship game. They benefit from teams losing an extra game that they earned the right to play in. I think you need to be at least top 2 in your conference in order to qualify for the 4-team playoff.