Hartley Interview in Swiss Newspaper

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Yeah, I missed that. Sorry. It's 0130 in the morning...

Understandable. I'm just critical..... always critical. Unless its perfect, it can be improved..... always looking around to see if something can be improved or done better. Or more efficient.

To me, spending time to watch from a press box seems like a opportunity loss.... because you can watch games on road trips (of other teams), video, etc..... again maybe its underqualified but it just seems inefficient to me (if its to "learn").

If its used as a motivation tool...... well I think things can be done better. Doesn't mean I think everyone should be fired and burn the house down, just asking questions and being critical. And just because you are a good coach doesn't mean you are always doing everythign right either.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

I had the feeling Hartley would have sent him down a long time ago if he wasn't happy with Baertschi. I think Hartley is just trying to teach him what it means to be a pro not taking anything for granted. I know from the outside it looks like he is getting benched but I think Hartley may be taking a more patient approach. The last game he benched Baertschi his dad was in town; Quite posible Hartley wanted Baertschi to spend some time with his dad and of course Byron came in and did a great job.

That's a bit of a stretch now.

[mustache ride]

The two are not mutually exclusive. The fact you make the distinction between Feaster and Burke tells me you understand why.
Also Burke does not have unilateral power to hire and fire like he did in Toronto. Feaster and King are still tight and ultimately the decision goes through him.

[Hyde]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

That's a bit of a stretch now.

It's as much as a stretch as believing Hartley hates Sven (which some on here do believe sadly).

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

When Berra has a 920 save percentage or a Stanley cup, he can let in as many goals from behind the goal line as he wants. Until then he should go somewhere else and learn how to do his job! I dont understand why you would use those two goalies as comparables. Curtis McElinney and Joey Mac are who you should of used. Of course he doesn't beat either of those two so whoops...

So you feel a rebuilding team is not a good place for a goalie with potential to "learn the job". Do you feel the same way about Monahan, Sven, etc...?

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So you feel a rebuilding team is not a good place for a goalie with potential to "learn the job". Do you feel the same way about Monahan, Sven, etc...?

You can learn to play goal somewhere else. An NHL team isnt the place to learn the position. That's what the minors and Europe is for.

[vilzeh]

Originally Posted by Hyde

It's as much as a stretch as believing Hartley hates Sven (which some on here do believe sadly).

Hate is a strong word, but dislikes him? I buy it. I mean, if those veterans do those mistakes Baertschi does, they get a pass because they are older and more seasoned? No logic.

[Hyde]

Originally Posted by vilzeh

Hate is a strong word, but dislikes him? I buy it. I mean, if those veterans do those mistakes Baertschi does, they get a pass because they are older and more seasoned? No logic.

They get a pass because they're not the future of this team. Is sitting Glencross or Butler really going to help them delvop as players? Sven is still learning and sitting the odd game might be beneficial . Watch the Oiler little punks up there still doing junior like moves to this day (hell til last night); how's Edmonton looked?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by timbit

This rebuilding process takes a very clear strategy with some moving parts as things progress.

Having a blueprint of what you are trying to create is paramount.

Over the next 5-7 years, they will hopefully fill slots correctly.

Just too early to tell but for sure there are an abundance of holes to fill.

So far, Feaster and Hartley seem to be on track.

I have a great deal of respect for you timbit and your posts, but I just can't seem to believe that these two are part of the solution. I know you were quite critical of things last year.

We were a hot week or two away from not rebuilding last year. The only reason we were not is because things went horribly wrong, but if Kiprusoff had turned in some stellar performances or Iginla got hot, we would be right back to square one. This is the management team that led us down that path that was offering our picks for offer sheets.

This is a group that has shown very little in terms of foresight or long term thinking. I guess, I'm at a loss as to why they would discover it now?

I do believe that Burke is part of the solution. Just not these two.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

So, if I am understanding you correctly, you are confident in Burke's capabilities to effectively oversee the hockey operations department and to ensure that the right people are in the best position to do what is best for the Flames's future. But, you are also concerned that Feaster and Harley are not those people, and that they are jeopardising the future of the Flames young players and the franchise?

To me, this doesn't add up. If you think Feaster and Hartley are the wrong people for the job, this shouldn't be an issue for you, since Burke—who must also see this as well—will ensure their expedient replacement.

Incorrect. You are making some leaps.

1) We don't know for sure how much authority Burke has in the organization, or if he can make those decisions at this point in time.

2) If Burke has the authority to out Feaster / Hartley, it would be illogical to assume he feels he has had enough time to evaluate them to make significant decisions on their careers.

3) I'm not even sure what you are really trying to say aside from covering your own behind? Basically whatever Burke decides is correct? What kind of opinion is that?

[BloodFetish]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

You can learn to play goal somewhere else. An NHL team isnt the place to learn the position. That's what the minors and Europe is for.

Both Berra and Ramo spent a lot of time in Europe learning the position, so by your statement that's okay then.

Every NHL goaltender has at some point had to adjust to the NHL level of play. I'd rather Berra, Ramo, and even Ortio do it this year when the Flames won't be competitive anyway.

[DazzlinDino]

Quite posible Hartley wanted Baertschi to spend some time with his dad and of course Byron came in and did a great job.

Originally Posted by vilzeh

That's a bit of a stretch now.

I agree I was just throwing it out there; Sometimes what goes on behind the scenes is not always what we think it is. Personally I need to see more before I am convinced Hartley hates Baertschi.

nm posted before I saw Hyde's post.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

I have a great deal of respect for you timbit and your posts, but I just can't seem to believe that these two are part of the solution. I know you were quite critical of things last year.

We were a hot week or two away from not rebuilding last year. The only reason we were not is because things went horribly wrong, but if Kiprusoff had turned in some stellar performances or Iginla got hot, we would be right back to square one. This is the management team that led us down that path that was offering our picks for offer sheets.

This is a group that has shown very little in terms of foresight or long term thinking. I guess, I'm at a loss as to why they would discover it now?

I do believe that Burke is part of the solution. Just not these two.

Feaster presented a re-build plan and a win now plan when he was hired. It was ownership that decided not to re-build then. I don't think Feaster had any illusions about how good the team was.

[mustache ride]

Back up that statement because I know the opposite. Feaster was given the job because he sold the ownership on not needing to rebuild.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

The two are not mutually exclusive. The fact you make the distinction between Feaster and Burke tells me you understand why.
Also Burke does not have unilateral power to hire and fire like he did in Toronto. Feaster and King are still tight and ultimately the decision goes through him.

Backup this statement, for a I can not fathom Burke taking over as president with two arms tied behind his back as to whom he can hire or fire.

Originally Posted by mustache ride

You can learn to play goal somewhere else. An NHL team isnt the place to learn the position. That's what the minors and Europe is for.

Offer some possible scenarios at least. What should be done now then?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by mustache ride

Back up that statement because I know the opposite. Feaster was given the job because he sold the ownership on not needing to rebuild.

Can you back up your own statement?

[nik-]

Feaster himself said he wasn't interested in being the GM for a rebuild.

Edit: I believe it was at the fan forum. He mocked Edmonton's rebuild aand said he wasn't the GM that was interested in being here for a rebuild. I can't find the article as I think the Herald one has expired.

I remember thinking it was great news as it was obvious it was coming and I had hoped it meant his tenure would be short. Yet here we are.

[Traditional_Ale]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's nothing personal. Hartley comes off as a decent guy in interviews it's nothing personal to me. I just prefer a coach that installs defensive systems that don't yield the worst GAA in the league.

I honestly believe we could have the best defensive system in the world and it wouldn't matter one bit because outside of Gio and Brodie there isn't the talent to execute it. And we wouldn't score, like, at all.

It was very refreshing for me to hear in post-game scrum with the coach that when asked about the defense, he responded with (paraphrasing) "I don't want them to stop scoring goals, but they need to learn how to close-out and win games."

I prefer a head coach that doesn't feel the need to dress a goon every single night. I prefer a head coach that doesn't play favorites.

Our "goon" can actually contribute to the game as a hockey player. If I was a coach I would have him in every single game. He's the ultimate deterrent for anyone looking to take advantage of a young rebuild, and is good for a small sample of solid, mistake free grinding hockey every game. He is also widely respected around the league, which adds even more to the "ultimate deterrent" thing.

I feel Bob is doing this team a good service in that he's delivering the high draft picks this organization needs and for the record I don't want him fired until this offseason or next as the 2015 draft could be a game changer for the team that picks first overall. In the mean time I wish he would adapt to today's game better and cut out the favorites nonsense. Let's be realistic here. I'm not sure how anyone can expect this team to improve when they continue to let in more goals than any other team in the league. When the day comes when it's time to see improvement that's when a new coach will be required.

So basically, "he sucks balls but it's okay because we're going to (make like the Oilers) and get a buffet of top-end, sure-fire prospects."

I think Hartley believes there are lots things to learn about what it takes to win in the NHL that come before playing like the 1995 Jersey Devils.

[mustache ride]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Backup this statement, for a I can not fathom Burke taking over as president with two arms tied behind his back as to whom he can hire or fire.

Burke took the job because there were no GM vacancies at the time and he had already been out of hockey for a considerable amount of time. He said so himself at the press confrence and numerous interviews later

A President of Hockey Operations is not to be confused with a team's President. A President of Hockey Operations sits between President and General Manager within a club's hierarchy. It is strictly an advisory position assuming little to no direct responsibility for team decisions

Ken King is still President and CEO.


Now Troutman's turn.

[fuffalo]

I forgot what this thread was about over the last two pages, good work gentlemen!