Reto Berra vs. Karri Ramo

[wingmaker]

Meh. They thought Ramo might be the starter this year and next and they had to pay up. 2.75 is not a huge price tag for a starter, and even if he remains the back up, the other goalies in the system are making peanuts, so it really isn't that big a deal. The Flames are still paying one of the lowest cap amounts for the goalie position in the league.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Meh. They thought Ramo might be the starter this year and next and they had to pay up. 2.75 is not a huge price tag for a starter, and even if he remains the back up, the other goalies in the system are making peanuts, so it really isn't that big a deal. The Flames are still paying one of the lowest cap amounts for the goalie position in the league.

Agreed it's not the end of the world. But still, 5.5 million (no bonus structure) is a lot of money to gamble on the guy. Hopefully he pans out somewhat

[FAN]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Everybody wants to see the team make smart moves - the point was that $2.75m isn't a horrible move like a couple fans are trying to paint it as.

A horrible move is a horrible move.

Originally Posted by wingmaker

Meh. They thought Ramo might be the starter this year and next

And they were wrong.

[thymebalm]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It's almost as if he's a rookie....

Berra is getting more starts in part because he exudes more confidence than Ramo does. Ramo plays small and never looks comfortable. Berra does the opposite of both those things.

Ramo is probably going to be an average backup in this league. Berra looks like a goalie who might be an average starter.

Whatever Berra is exuding in third periods, it isn't confidence.

Confident goalies are settled in the net and let the puck come to them. Berra runs around like a madman in that crease/defensive end.

He's shown some fast lateral movement. Willingness to improve? sure. Compete? yes. But confidence?… not so much.

[tvp2003]

I'm saddened to see people writing off Ramo already... he's only made 7 starts! We of all teams should know that goalies take time to develop (see: Kiprusoff, Miikka). Heck, how many goalies has this franchise gotten rid of, only for them to become NHL starters for other teams (Giguere, Roloson; also drafted Craig Anderson).

[dammage79]

Pat Steinberg ‏@Fan960Steinberg 2m
Berra starts tomorrow, Ramo goes Saturday in net. #Flames

[McLintock]

Originally Posted by neo45

He is signed for another year, that is where I got 5.5 from. 2.6 this year 2.9 next year

Looking like a very questionable move

Like I said in the "Our preseason goaltending situation" thread: Berra and Ortio are my two goalies for the next years. Waive Ramo and burn him in Abbotsford..

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I'm saddened to see people writing off Ramo already... he's only made 7 starts! We of all teams should know that goalies take time to develop (see: Kiprusoff, Miikka). Heck, how many goalies has this franchise gotten rid of, only for them to become NHL starters for other teams (Giguere, Roloson; also drafted Craig Anderson).

I don't hear many saying he's garbage but in 7 starts he simply hasn't shown anything that says he's starter material or even better than MacDonald (who's been lights out in the AHL). He looks really, really average all the time while at least Berra shows flashes of promise.

Like I said before these guys are all battling to be the teams future backup goaltender as I assume this offseason the team will be looking to bring in a more established starter to hold down a spot until Gillies is ready.

[FAN]

I'm actually not a fan of developing goalies through a trial by fire. Confidence is pretty important for goalies and if a goalie isn't ready to be a starter in the NHL it doesn't seem giving him lots of starts is a good way to develop him. I mean how many goalies actually benefitted from a trial by fire as opposed to backing up and learning from an established veteran and taking away the #1 job with their play? It just seems to me that goalies who earned the #1 job tend to be much more consistent from year to year than goalies who developed through a trial by fire.

[getbak]

Although I think it's still way too early to give up on Ramo, if it doesn't work out, I'm sure they could agree on an unconditional buyout that would allow him to return to Russia.

Each of the four seasons Ramo was in the KHL, his team made the playoffs. They were the top regular season team his second year there, and they won their Division in each of the last three years he was there. This year, they're struggling. They have 10 wins in 33 games and sit in 11th place in their Conference.

[neo45]

Originally Posted by getbak

Although I think it's still way too early to give up on Ramo, if it doesn't work out, I'm sure they could agree on an unconditional buyout that would allow him to return to Russia.

Each of the four seasons Ramo was in the KHL, his team made the playoffs. They were the top regular season team his second year there, and they won their Division in each of the last three years he was there. This year, they're struggling. They have 10 wins in 33 games and sit in 11th place in their Conference.

Came in to ask about this. If the Flames and Ramo agree that he won't be an NHL starter after this season they might be able to get off the hook for the 2.9 million

I'm assuming Ramo makes that much (or close) in the KHL as one of the better goalies. In which case the experiment looks much better

[getbak]

I believe it was said that Avangard offered him $4M per year on a long-term deal to stay, but he chose to take less money to come to Calgary because he wanted to give the NHL another try. With Avangard struggling this year without him, I'm sure they'd offer him the same or similar deal to come back.

[tvp2003]

Safe to say Ramo isn't going anywhere just yet. This would be a good time to let Berra work on his game in practice and let Ramo carry the mail for the next few starts.

[Wastedyouth]

To the surprise of no one, Ramo proves he is the better goalie.

[OzSome]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

Safe to say Ramo isn't going anywhere just yet. This would be a good time to let Berra work on his game in practice and let Ramo carry the mail for the next few starts.

Ramo is not as quick as Berra but I thought he's been okay. His biggest weakness I think is giving up big rebounds. Berra on the other hand plays well early most of his game but he tends to give up bad goals at the wrong time. I don't think he ever wins in regulation time yet. Sorry I missed his first game and can't remember if they won in OT or not. When Berra plays aggressive and challenge the shooter, he is better. But when he is just standing around close to the net that's when he gets in trouble. I think both goalies are still learning the NHL and I definitely think they will a good above average goaltender in the NHL if they are willing to learn from mistakes.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

To the surprise of no one, Ramo proves he is the better goalie.

For a game, before putting up another stinker. Yay.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

To the surprise of no one, Ramo proves he is the better goalie.

One game doesn't prove he's a better goalie

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by strombad

For a game, before putting up another stinker. Yay.

Ramo's Ev Strength SV% (probably the best determination of a good goalie at this point) blows Berra's out of the water. Ramo's is indicative of a average NHL goalie, Berra's, of well below average one.

[Wastedyouth]

To add to this

In 10 games Ramo has given up 18 Ev Str goals

Berra in 11 games has given up 31.

Ramo has played against: WAS, LA, SJ, DAL, WAS, COL, TOR, DAL, ANA, LA

Berra has played against: CHI, MIN, STL, SJ, DAL, EDM, WIN, CLB, FLR, CHI, ANA

Ramo has played against 1/10 non-playoff teams, Berra 4/11.

So tell me, at this point, who has proven they are the better goalie?

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

To add to this

In 10 games Ramo has given up 18 Ev Str goals

Berra in 11 games has given up 31.

Ramo has played against: WAS, LA, SJ, DAL, WAS, COL, TOR, DAL, ANA, LA

Berra has played against: CHI, MIN, STL, SJ, DAL, EDM, WIN, CLB, FLR, CHI, ANA

Ramo has played against 1/10 non-playoff teams, Berra 4/11.

So tell me, at this point, who has proven they are the better goalie?

They both suck?