Stempniak Calls out Team

[ricardodw]

so 7 games after calling his team out the Flames have gone 2-4-1.

That actually is a pretty good record when compared to Stempniak's contribution: 1 pp assist in 7 games and his -12.

The real serious part is that he is bringing down the trade value of his line-mates Stajan and Cammallerri who have gone -7 and -9 in the last 7 games.

Hartley at least has kept him away from playing with the young players that will be on the team next season.

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so 7 games after calling his team out the Flames have gone 2-4-1.

That actually is a pretty good record when compared to Stempniak's contribution: 1 pp assist in 7 games and his -12.

The real serious part is that he is bringing down the trade value of his line-mates Stajan and Cammallerri who have gone -7 and -9 in the last 7 games.

Hartley at least has kept him away from playing with the young players that will be on the team next season.

Stempniak is likely still not 100%. Before his injury he was one of the better players on this team.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

so 7 games after calling his team out the Flames have gone 2-4-1.

That actually is a pretty good record when compared to Stempniak's contribution: 1 pp assist in 7 games and his -12.

The real serious part is that he is bringing down the trade value of his line-mates Stajan and Cammallerri who have gone -7 and -9 in the last 7 games.

Hartley at least has kept him away from playing with the young players that will be on the team next season.

He's been soft(er) on the puck since coming back from injury. A guy with his skill set needs to bring more physicality in order to be a better than average player. I don't believe he's capable of being more physical, which is why he should be moved.

He's an adequate player to fill in the gap while the Flames re-build, but he would never be receiving the minutes he's receiving on another hockey team.

If he could be part of a package to bring in a young second line RW, I would be thrilled.

[DeluxeMoustache]

^ He can be physical but in a checking manner more so than a drop the gloves sort of way

Sadly, the last time he was, he lost teeth by being in a fight in which the damage was done before he knew he was in it, and his team did nothing about it.

Cammalleri is responsible for his own lackluster performance.

The team would be better with Gio back plus a healthy Wideman, that would improve everyone's rating (Gio is pretty much the best d man on the team) and points (PP should improve)

[Mister Yamoto]

Also Stempniak is just streaky. It's just a part of having Lee Stempniak on the team. I could see him getting 1 goal in the next 6 weeks but still getting 20+ on the season.

I'd reduce his ice time until he gets it going again.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

^ He can be physical but in a checking manner more so than a drop the gloves sort of way

Sadly, the last time he was, he lost teeth by being in a fight in which the damage was done before he knew he was in it, and his team did nothing about it.

Cammalleri is responsible for his own lackluster performance.

The team would be better with Gio back plus a healthy Wideman, that would improve everyone's rating (Gio is pretty much the best d man on the team) and points (PP should improve)

Like I said, he's average. He's has average "checking" ability, average goal scoring ability and can't fight.

The Flames don't have anyone to come to his "aid"(and don't say McGratton... Ference never would have fought Mcgratton) They don't have that luxury. A player in Stempniak's position on the Flames needs to be able to take care of himself.

The team as a whole needs to get bigger/tougher, but he's part of the "problem" in that regard.

[BACKCHECK!!!]

Originally Posted by MacFlame

Like I said, he's average. He's has average "checking" ability, average goal scoring ability and can't fight.

The Flames don't have anyone to come to his "aid"(and don't say McGratton... Ference never would have fought Mcgratton) They don't have that luxury. A player in Stempniak's position on the Flames needs to be able to take care of himself.

The team as a whole needs to get bigger/tougher, but he's part of the "problem" in that regard.

Stempniak didn't give Ference that "luxury" either. Ference just grabbed him and started smashing his face.

That's exactly what McGrattan should have done.

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by BACKCHECK!!!

Ference didn't give Stempniak that "luxury". He just grabbed him and started smashing his face.

That's exactly what McGrattan should have done.

Why couldn't Stempniak do that?

...because he doesn't fight. Stempniak isn't Jiri Hudler and shouldn't be treated as such.

I get that not every player is "tough", but that's my point. That's what separates the average players from the above average players. He doesn't bring anything that is above average.

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Stempniak is likely still not 100%. Before his injury he was one of the better players on this team.

More like he is one of the streakiest players on the team. I am not saying he is 100%, but how come when other teams players come back from injuries they don't miss a beat? When it comes to the flames, CP and injuries there are excuses up the ying-yang for our players. Sometimes these excuses give the player the leeway of up to the whole year from CP. They are probably just average to below average players. That's why their on ice playing and stats are the way they are.

[Badgers Nose]

news flash, Flames are a bad hockey team

2-4-1 is awesome for these guys

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

news flash, Flames are a bad hockey team

2-4-1 is awesome for these guys

Anything above all losses until one of Wideman, Giordano, or Monahan come back will be an achievement for me

When Butler is solidly in your top 4 (Brodie, Smid, Russell, Butler...whatever order you decide to put them in), you've got problems.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by kirant

Anything above all losses until one of Wideman, Giordano, or Monahan come back will be an achievement for me

When Butler is solidly in your top 4 (Brodie, Smid, Russell, Butler...whatever order you decide to put them in), you've got problems.

I'm still in awe that Kris Russell is maintaining a +2 on this team. Truly amazing.

[IgiTang]

Ive been "rag dolled" a few times and its because I enjoy the physical game. If someone is gonna try and impose a physical game on another, they need to be prepared to face the consequences themselves.
Stempniak plays a hard hitting, finish your check kind of game. From time to time hes going to need to answer the bell, for himself. If he cant, he has no business playing that type of game. Nor does any player IMO.

[Badgers Nose]

This season has been full of crazy so far. Stempniak in fights is right up there at the top of the list.

I'd like the scores to be closer. Otherwise, this is what I expected.

[Poe969]

I've been an advocate for trading Stempniak for a while. If we can get value for him we should. Hudler is the most valuable forward vet we have on this team, we can easily replace Stempniak.

[Heavy Jack]

Not only that but Stempniak basically got mugged by Ference minus the stealing. He hasn't looked the same since taking that punch.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Stempniak is likely still not 100%. Before his injury he was one of the better players on this team.

Is he still rocking a boot on off-days? Or has he stopped now? Still, he was in a boot for a while after he came back, so I wouldn't be surprised if he is absolutely still injured.

Originally Posted by Cali Flames Fan

I'm still in awe that Kris Russell is maintaining a +2 on this team. Truly amazing.

Russell is easily one of the Flames' best defencemen. He isn't flashy, nor does he play with a whole lot of grit, but he makes smart, simple plays.

It shows you how deep St.Louis is on the back end when a guy like Russell couldn't crack the top 6.