11-26-2013, 12:23 PM
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#81
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Income Tax Central
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Originally Posted by Anduril
Not sure if Klesla is worth claiming. He could become a decent guy for us for the rest of the season but why not give a taste of the NHL to the rest of the defensive prospects we have? In terms of extra defensive bodies, there's Smith and Breen who could sit on the bottom pairing even if we move Butler.
Sure the move is low risk, but I don't see much of a tangible reward.
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I understand that and to a certain degree I agree, however you have to always beware of the 'Edmonton factor.'
Losing is very easy. You have to have some guys that dont suck. Its the mix of veterans and rookies that is key.
Any idiot can play in the NHL if there are no expectations of any kind of success.
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11-26-2013, 12:31 PM
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#82
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: NYYC
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why does everyone assume that a player having a poor season will magically pull a 180 on a different team? That was the thinking when the Flames got Blake Comeau and he ended up being the same player for the Flames that Islanders put on waivers.
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Claiming Comeau was a good move. Young guy who had showed potential looking for a second chance, with a low salary, for free. Sure, he never materialized, but we had nothing to lose and everything to gain by claiming him. And in the end we got out a 5th rounder out of nothing. It was solid asset management by Feaster.
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11-26-2013, 12:36 PM
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#83
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Richmond, BC
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Originally Posted by browna
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11-26-2013, 12:36 PM
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#84
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Locke
I understand that and to a certain degree I agree, however you have to always beware of the 'Edmonton factor.'
Losing is very easy. You have to have some guys that dont suck. Its the mix of veterans and rookies that is key.
Any idiot can play in the NHL if there are no expectations of any kind of success.
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The bolded is what I was ideally aiming for in terms of how I want to see the roster near the end of the season. I think there's a nice balance for our forwards and lots of potential to have even more younger players come up for a bit.
Defensively there's only veterans with some guys in their prime like Russell and Butler. Russell should be a keeper but if we can move out Butler or SOB before/after claiming Klesla then I would be okay.
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11-26-2013, 12:40 PM
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#85
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Conquering the world one 7-11 at a time
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Originally Posted by browna
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11-26-2013, 01:06 PM
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Needs More Cowbell
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Not Canada, Eh?
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Klesla can't be any worse than SOB, can he?
He was a workhorse with the Jackets for many years.
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11-26-2013, 01:16 PM
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#87
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: San Fernando Valley
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Originally Posted by Table 5
Claiming Comeau was a good move. Young guy who had showed potential looking for a second chance, with a low salary, for free. Sure, he never materialized, but we had nothing to lose and everything to gain by claiming him. And in the end we got out a 5th rounder out of nothing. It was solid asset management by Feaster.
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I disagree. IMO Comeau actually hurt the Flames as Flames scoring chances died on his stick whether he was on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line he was a black hole for productive hockey. Flames would have been far better off never putting in a claim for him.
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11-26-2013, 01:29 PM
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#88
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tromboner
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: where the lattes are
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It's amazing how quickly players can go from worth something to worthless.
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11-26-2013, 01:32 PM
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Franchise Player
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Interesting comments from the Coyotes GM. Not sure I fully understand the reasoning to waive someone over making them available. Unless the whole ran over the coaches "dog" comes into play or something:
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Sarah McLellan @azc_mclellan 29m
#Coyotes not making Klesla available. Maloney said he'd give his reasoning on the move tomorrow.
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Sarah McLellan @azc_mclellan 29m
At that time, if Klesla clears and is assigned to Portland, there will be a corresponding internal move.
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11-26-2013, 01:40 PM
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#90
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Drury18
Interesting comments from the Coyotes GM. Not sure I fully understand the reasoning to waive someone over making them available. Unless the whole ran over the coaches "dog" comes into play or something:
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I think they mean available to the media, so we wont be hearing from Klesla today is all.
Otherwise it's a Bryzgalov situation where Klesla gets waived knowing he'll end up on a bottom feeder and can't be flipped to a playoff rival at the deadline.
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11-26-2013, 01:43 PM
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Retired
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^ ^ Does that mean available for trade or media availability?
IIRC there were recent rumors in the trade thread about him moving, so I would assume they made him available to other teams.
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11-26-2013, 01:48 PM
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
Why does everyone assume that a player having a poor season will magically pull a 180 on a different team? That was the thinking when the Flames got Blake Comeau and he ended up being the same player for the Flames that Islanders put on waivers.
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While the Flames didn't claim Kris Russell off of waivers he was placed on waivers last year. He pretty much pulled that "magical 180".
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11-26-2013, 01:54 PM
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#93
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Calgary
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Originally Posted by Erick Estrada
I disagree. IMO Comeau actually hurt the Flames as Flames scoring chances died on his stick whether he was on the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line he was a black hole for productive hockey. Flames would have been far better off never putting in a claim for him.
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Does it really matter? Calgary was bad with or without Comeau. You want to get real deep about it than Comeau's black hole of offense helped Calgary land Monahan at the draft. I vote good pickup.
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11-26-2013, 02:09 PM
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Seems the speculation is that the Coyotes waiving Klesla a precursor move before trading for Erat.
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11-26-2013, 02:17 PM
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: The Netherlands
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I don't see Edmonton or Florida picking him up but maybe the Islanders have a bit more motivation to grab him..
If he makes it to us though I'd love to grab him to stabilize our D.
I don't see him as having a long future with the Flames but he can be a bridge guy.
I'd look to extend him 2/3 years after this year, once his contract is up, if his play (on/off the ice) warrants it.
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11-26-2013, 02:20 PM
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#96
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: SW Ontario
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The fact that the Islanders have less points than us is ridiculous.
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11-26-2013, 02:27 PM
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#97
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by dissentowner
The fact that the Islanders have less points than us is ridiculous.
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Good for Buffalo, I guess. Must be nice looking at two top 5 picks in the same draft.
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11-26-2013, 02:44 PM
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#98
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Seems the speculation is that the Coyotes waiving Klesla a precursor move before trading for Erat.
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So is the benefit to waiving Klesla is that whoever picks him up retains the full amount of his remaining contract (approx $2M) rather then the Coyotes potentially retaining some of his contract and not having Cap space for Erat?
Is that essentially what this move would be about? (Assuming he clears, which I couldn't see why he wouldn't and I'm guessing neither could Phoenix).
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11-26-2013, 02:53 PM
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#1 Goaltender
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Washington must have not wanted Klesla coming back for Erat, and even under new ownership PHX can't afford both.
Looking at Washington's lineup, Klesla does seem to fit in with the Hillen injury. They must be happy with Urbom and Oleksy
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11-26-2013, 03:28 PM
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#100
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I don't think the Flames will claim him.
You have to think that any team in the league looking to clear some cap space has Feaster on speed dial. Flames are pretty much the only team that has cap space, AND is willing to use it.
Phoenix must have already tried to get something out of Feaster already, and was rejected.
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