Well its only down to a small number of huge companies that are making this these days, the focus is on drugs that are prescription since its such a huge return on investment vs a vaccine that might prove ineffective or not pass trials.
Its also the same thinking for them in regards to anti-biotics, very expensive to research, very little return and a host of other problems like them being used too much which increases the rate at which they become useless. This is becoming a big problem.
That article sure seems to indicate otherwise however, 300 sounds like a significant number, I wonder how that compares to say 10 years ago.
Exactly this. I had a very interesting lecture last year about the business of pharmaceuticals by a Novartis rep, went through the economics of developing Vaccines and antibiotics, and how the return is just not there, making it very difficult for any company to invest in research for it. Even when you do research and develop an effective vaccine, it may never make it to market. For example, VIDO in Saskatchewan has an E. coli vaccine that never became marketable since it wasn't economical for ranchers to buy a vaccine for a disease that doesn't affect the health of the cattle. It's cheaper for them to just continue with sanitary slaughtering and processing practices than it is to vaccinate.
Same thing goes with antibiotics. Drugs such as Cefixime don't make companies money, as it's a one time dose drug, compare that to statins where you have a population that will take the medicine the rest of their life, and it's no wonder you have 10 new cholesterol regulating drugs come out every year yet see no innovation with antibiotics in the past 10 years.
Also, in regards to that article, 300 in the pipeline means nothing, every company has research in different stages for 100s of drugs that will never see the light of day. It's a long an rigorous process to go from developing to actual production and distribution, out of those 300 probably 5 will even make it to human trials.
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If big Pharma doesn't like to engage in vaccine development then I am certain that many Universities would like to move in on that turf for bragging rights alone, and if not they really should; developing a vaccine for Herpes or AIDs would earn that University bragging rights and funding. Think how the U of C would leverage the creation of a vaccine for West Nile here in Alberta.
But if anything will get people believing in immunization again its a good old out break of the spanish flu.
A lot of you come across like militant Pro-Lifers when it comes to vaccines. Instead of belittling parents who choose not to vaccinate why not try to educate them with a rational discussion. Agrgessively calling them morons and bad parents does nothing to change their way of thinking and would most likely cause them to ignore you at best or dig their heels in further.
Parents that don't take advantage of one of the most miraculous things modern medicine has ever offered us are morons and bad parents. That is a fact. Period.
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Parents that don't take advantage of one of the most miraculous things modern medicine has ever offered us are morons and bad parents. That is a fact. Period.
No, that is not fact, that is your opinion of those people. And you know what they say about opinions...
I just think that some sort of educational advertising should be done to help change people's anti-vaccine stance. Like the pipeline / anti-pipeline debates.
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How about this fact- there is a mountain of credible evidence from many, many doctors that vaccines save lives and prevent illness; with few if any side effects. However I have yet to see any credible evidence to the contrary.
The reason people are calling other stupid, is that to most of us getting vaccinated is right along with teaching your kid to stop and look both ways before crossing the street. I would suggest that any parent who says they would rather look into it more; or have more questions about "this whole stop and look before crossing thing" are idiots. Once again, the evidence points to stopping and looking to be considerably safer; and we can see no benefit to failing to teach those things.
We rely on medical science to tell us things. Medical science tells me that alcohol kills germs; so if I have a cut I use alcohol on the wound to clean it out. I actually have not seen with my own eyes if alcohol actually does this; but the mountain of evidence for, and the lack of evidence against is enough for me.
If you have questions, then ask them. In the mean time, don't disregard what medical science tells you.
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No, that is not fact, that is your opinion of those people. And you know what they say about opinions...
I just think that some sort of educational advertising should be done to help change people's anti-vaccine stance. Like the pipeline / anti-pipeline debates.
That won't help because they'll just think it's "Big Pharma" trying to brainwash the sheeple.
How about this fact- there is a mountain of credible evidence from many, many doctors that vaccines save lives and prevent illness; with few if any side effects. However I have yet to see any credible evidence to the contrary.
The reason people are calling other stupid, is that to most of us getting vaccinated is right along with teaching your kid to stop and look both ways before crossing the street. I would suggest that any parent who says they would rather look into it more; or have more questions about "this whole stop and look before crossing thing" are idiots. Once again, the evidence points to stopping and looking to be considerably safer; and we can see no benefit to failing to teach those things.
We rely on medical science to tell us things. Medical science tells me that alcohol kills germs; so if I have a cut I use alcohol on the wound to clean it out. I actually have not seen with my own eyes if alcohol actually does this; but the mountain of evidence for, and the lack of evidence against is enough for me.
If you have questions, then ask them. In the mean time, don't disregard what medical science tells you.
Not sure if you are directing this me or not. I have no questions about vaccinations. All I'm saying is better education is required on vaccines to disprove the myths.
Honestly, as well, I don't think medical science is what you used to determine that alcohol is a good antiseptic. Most likely you learned this from your parents. This is concerning with the anti-vaccine parents as we'll see a whole new generation of anti-vaccine kids grow up and perpetuate it.
This is concerning with the anti-vaccine parents as we'll see a whole new generation of anti-vaccine kids grow up and perpetuate it.
This problem may solve itself as these kids have a higher chance of dying from preventable diseases. That could be considered a positive of these anti-vax parents, they're helping eliminate their stupidity from the gene pool. Kind of nice of them really.
This problem may solve itself as these kids have a higher chance of dying from preventable diseases. That could be considered a positive of these anti-vax parents, they're helping eliminate their stupidity from the gene pool. Kind of nice of them really.
Except it's the children, who had no choice in the matter, that are paying the price for their parents' stupidity.
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BBF, you know you can get a shingles vax/needle now, right?
I know I can, but I am not a candidate because I am allergic to the antibiotic neomycin which has something to do with the vaccine. But thanks for the reminder, especially for people who didn't know about it. I think the vaccine is usually given to people who are over 60 and those who want no more children though, but I am not sure.
When pitbulls get their shots they become vicious.
German Shepards Autistic pay attention to everything and it has to be perfect.
Labs become mellow and become a drug dog or a buddy dog.
Dogs under 30lbs become bitches and can't shut up and always try to start a fight.
Don't vaccinate your dogs.(And then see what happens))
When pitbulls get their shots they become vicious.
German Shepards Autistic pay attention to everything and it has to be perfect.
Labs become mellow and become a drug dog or a buddy dog.
Dogs under 30lbs become bitches and can't shut up and always try to start a fight.
Don't vaccinate your dogs.(And then see what happens))
When pitbulls get their shots they become vicious.
German Shepards Autistic pay attention to everything and it has to be perfect.
Labs become mellow and become a drug dog or a buddy dog.
Dogs under 30lbs become bitches and can't shut up and always try to start a fight.
Don't vaccinate your dogs.(And then see what happens))
I see those arguments against anti vaccinations mainly revolve around the science behind it and the potential harms, this is not the case in Lethbridge.
Religion is the main contributing factor to the measles outbreak in Lethbridge.
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Religion is the main contributing factor to the measles outbreak in Lethbridge.
Personally, I don't care if someone is getting their misinformation from Jenny McCarthy or Joseph Smith or some pseudoscience web site. They're all ignoring science in favour of... I'll be polite here... something other than science.
I have also heard that religion is playing a part in the Lethbridge outbreak, although I'm not sure what the numbers are. I'm not even sure if the Mormons are anti-vaccine because of any official direction, or members own interpretations. Or maybe it is a misconception that they are anti-vaccine. I honestly don't know.
But thanks for the reminder, especially for people who didn't know about it. I think the vaccine is usually given to people who are over 60 and those who want no more children though, but I am not sure.
