Way to go vaccineophobe parents: Measles Outbreak

[Locke]

I don't know about the rest of you but I take all my medical advice from porn stars. Don't get sucked in by 'Medical Professionals' they're just advocating for 'Big Vaccine. ' It's a huge conspiracy founded hy the Bilderberger group to distract people from realizing that 9/11 was an inside job. The porn stars, who operate on the fringes of society are rhe only ones free enough to realize the truth!

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by Ace

That would be ridiculous. My child's vaccinations are all up to date, but I don't judge any parent that has concerns about what they are putting in their child. Every time we go to get my guy vaccinated I'm concerned about the risks, of course the risks of not vaccinating outweigh those risks for us. If they started mandatory vaccinations that would promote poorer formulas to be created in order to save costs.

Take the annual flu shot as an example, most of the population just shows up and takes the shot that they are offered, but with a little knowledge you can request Agriflu which does not contain Thimerosal. The reason they don't offer this standard is because they separate the vaccine into single dose applications in order to avoid the mercury and it's more expensive. The mainstream flu shot in Alberta can be shared amongst many people (I think it's 5), but needs the preservative. I for one am glad they are offering these alternatives for those of us looking for the safest way to vaccinate. And actually a little scrutiny from the public forces the government and manufacturers to keep looking at ways to improve.

Of course, with that said, ignorant rejection of vaccinations is a problem.

The problem is a large number of parents are makeing these decisions based on crap "science" or day time talk TV.

[ernie]

Originally Posted by NuclearPizzaMan

Vaccination should be mandatory.

For the most part they are in the states for any kid attending a school. No school I know of will allow kids into the class without full vaccination records. That includes private schools.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by tete

I know a bunch of non-vaxxers (by choice) and they're planning measles "parties" if one of their kids end up with it so that they all can be infected. I don't think they understand the severity that can happen with measles.

These are exaclty the type of people that shouldn't have been allowed to breed.

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

These are exaclty the type of people that shouldn't have been allowed to breed.

If they don't want to vaccinate...just how hard do you think it will be to get them to voluntarily sterilize?

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

If they don't want to vaccinate...just how hard do you think it will be to get them to voluntarily sterilize?

Voluntary....?

[Cuz]

Originally Posted by ernie

For the most part they are in the states for any kid attending a school. No school I know of will allow kids into the class without full vaccination records. That includes private schools.

Is it like that here? If not then it definitely should be.

[Rhettzky]

Originally Posted by tete

Wasn't that the smallpox one? It's not given anymore.

I know a bunch of non-vaxxers (by choice) and they're planning measles "parties" if one of their kids end up with it so that they all can be infected. I don't think they understand the severity that can happen with measles.

I hope the kids are planning their revenge...

[19Yzerman19]

Originally Posted by Makarov

I think that the important thing to note is that the headline doesn't read "Autism Outbreak". Success!

In other news, my tiger repellent has been working perfectly thus far with no local tiger attacks to date!

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Originally Posted by ernie

For the most part they are in the states for any kid attending a school. No school I know of will allow kids into the class without full vaccination records. That includes private schools.

Bah, what a weak policy! Upon hearing the words "no, I don't want my child vaccinated" Doctors should be REQUIRED to pull out a shotgun and blow the parents away, right there in the doctor's office.

Originally Posted by tete

Wasn't that the smallpox one? It's not given anymore.

I know a bunch of non-vaxxers (by choice) and they're planning measles "parties" if one of their kids end up with it so that they all can be infected. I don't think they understand the severity that can happen with measles.

Do you know these people by choice? You should really shun them. Or kill them.

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by puffnstuff

If they don't want to vaccinate...just how hard do you think it will be to get them to voluntarily sterilize?

Slip em some roofies? Never said it had to be voluntary

[GGG]

Non-Vaccinators should be banned from schools. Proof of vaccination should be mandatory. The problem is that anit-vaccers are right in that vaccination is a prisnors dilema type situation. There are possible side effects from vaccines. They are very rare. And heard immunity will protect you if you are the only one who doesn't vaccinate.

Ergo If everyone else vaccinates the I don't have to because the risks of vaccinations outweigh the risks of not vaccinating. This obviously falls apart when you lose herd immunity.

I think their are a few problems that could be dealt with better. One vaccines shouldn't be marketed as 100% safe. Vaccines should be marketed as the risk of dying from measles is 1/X the risk of the vaccine is 1/x, the risk of a car accident is 1/x so get your kid vaccinated.

The other problem and hopefully this outbreak helps, is that vaccines are too good at what they do. If no one sees these diseases the fear from them is lost. If two or threee kids die from measles people might get the message.

[stazzy33]

Is the measles vaccine a one time thing? I am pretty sure I got it when I was a kid in school. I think it was grade 3 or 4, everyone got the measles, mumps and rubella vaccine. Is it something that needs a booster as an adult?

[Minnie]

Jenny McCarthy can go the way of Sylvia Browne, IMO. Stupid bint.

I had the measles, when I was 11. I was very very ill. I missed nearly a month of school. These parents are beyond effing effed in the head. When I was pregnant with my first, they run your titres (I think that's what it's called?) to see what you already have immunities for. My doc (OB) figured I had regular measles and German measles at the same time, and that's why I was so sick. I had immunities for German measles and he said that meant I'd had them. I just figured he must know what he was talking about, lol.

I would not recommend ever having the measles. It is a miserable miserable experience and complications from the measles can be vast and devastating. It always boggles my mind when people talk about having contagion parties to expose their kids to things like this - or the chicken pox. My kids had the chicken pox, all at the same time. My 2 youngest were ok and had maybe 60 pox between them but my eldest was probably as sick as I had been when I had the measles. He was covered from head to toe with pox - on his scalp, thick. All over his body, and in the genital region, which was horrible for him. He even had a few inside his mouth and one inside one nostril. He had a really rough time with them.

Now that we deal with issues with a member of the family having a compromised immune system, I'm doubly vigilant about things like this. I would have a hard time not getting a bit 'chatty' about the lack of vaccination and the risk they're exposing everyone to.

[rayne008]

I think some legitimate questions about vaccinations get pushed aside due to the ignorance and anger around this topic. Instead of typing out my concerns, I'll just copy snippets from this Doctor's blog, which contain some of the questions I have... Obviously I have no way to determine this guys credibility.

Clarification needs to be created regarding VACCINATION vs. IMMUNIZATION. I’m all for immunization. The problem created by media and pharmaceutical influence is that people equate immunization with vaccination. Vaccination is simply injecting something into your body. This does not create immunity for your body. These are 2 totally separate entities.

With building immunity, it’s a natural process. With that natural process, your body uses many defenses. The first layer of defense is your skin. This blocks out any harmful opportunistic buggers. With a vaccine, this law of nature is totally bypassed by injecting you with a needle full of stuff your skin would never allow past it.

You also have a respiratory system that also aids in defense. You cough, you sneeze, and you blow your nose, in attempt to expel the potential invader. Coughing, sneezing, and snorting are results of your immune system working. Don’t suppress it with fever reducers, anti-histamines, etc. You’re just making it easier for the invader.

You also have your gut-associated lymph system to fight with the stronger stuff. If your system is so deficient to get past these natural defenses, the potential invader, live or dead, enters the blood stream. Once something is in your blood stream, it can be transported any anywhere in your body, not good at all. It’s like open bar at a chiropractic convention.
A vaccine violates all laws of natural immune defenses by taking a potential pathogen along with all the TOXIC ingredients (aluminum, formaldehyde, adjuvants, etc) directly into your blood system. This process would never occur in building natural immunity. That last sentence is kind of an oxy-moron. Immunity is a natural thing. Vaccines are an artificial thing.

FLAWED RESEARCH:

The scientific mantra of vaccines is that they are safe and effective based on their research. Their research is flawed and is a double standard from any other drug product studied. The Gold Standard in research design is the double blinded, randomized controlled trial (RCT).

This means that people are split into 2 groups randomly and participants are given either the real thing or the fake thing being tested. Then progress is charted on who gets better, who gets worse, and the like. In theory there should be no bias as to reporting because the researchers don’t know who is in the placebo or the real intervention group.

How many vaccines have ever been studied in this manner? ZERO! The reason? The researchers will say they cannot perform an RCT because it would be unethical to NOT give a child a vaccine because if that child dies of something that could have been prevented, then they don’t want to be responsible. But if someone dies in their trials from taking their anti-depressants, it must be OK.

Hey drug companies, I will volunteer my child to be in the placebo group and compare him to the health and well being of those that have gotten all the recommended vaccines. I’m sure I can gather a few hundred thousand more to be in the placebo group to create a large sample.

Instead of research to see safety and effectiveness, they instead see if the person builds anti-bodies to the antigen (the foreign invader) that is in the vaccine. If antibodies are built, then it’s ‘safe and effective,’ or so they lead us to believe. These studies are rarely, if ever done on kids younger than 4 years old. How can you say it’s safe or effective for a baby if it’s never studied on a baby?

The 2 populations that have limited production of anti-bodies are infants and geriatrics, the 2 most heavily vaccinated populations. If they can’t produce anti-bodies, then the vaccine would be pointless. The whole premise of the vaccine is that you get injected with a foreign invader and you produce anti-bodies against it. If you can’t produce anti-bodies well then what’s the use of injecting something to try and stimulate that reaction?

With kids, they don’t produce any anybodies until after age 6 months. So why give a vaccine to anyone under the age of 6 months if they can’t produce antibodies. Even if the whole vaccine theory really worked, it would be absolutely pointless to inject a baby of 6 months or less with a vaccine . With a child’s immune system being very immature until age 2, the overload of 36 vaccines by the age of 18 months seems about as logical as drinking from a fire hydrant.

He does touch base on many of the diseases that we are being vaccinated for, including measles.

The only stat I could find for deaths from measles in the US was in 2003 we had 2 deaths. 1 death was attributed to post bone marrow transplant surgery and the other was a 75 year old with pneumonia. Media loves to report when there are measles outbreaks but what you'll never hear in their reports is that anyone died from it.

I think there are more than enough questions raised to promote an intelligent conversation, rather than mindless vitriol from both extremes of the issue.

[pylon]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

More shocking is how gullible and dumb some parents are that are willing to play Russian roulette with their children's lives because an uneducated, air-head celebrity had an autistic kid and passed her personal belief as scientific fact.

And the funny part about that is, even she doubts her kid actually ever had autism now.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by pylon

And the funny part about that is, even she doubts her kid actually ever had autism now.

I think she still claims that the symptoms were due to the vaccine though, no?

[evman150]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I think some legitimate questions about vaccinations get pushed aside due to the ignorance and anger around this topic. Instead of typing out my concerns, I'll just copy snippets from this Doctor's blog, which contain some of the questions I have... Obviously I have no way to determine this guys credibility.

He does touch base on many of the diseases that we are being vaccinated for, including measles.

I think there are more than enough questions raised to promote an intelligent conversation, rather than mindless vitriol from both extremes of the issue.

*Yawn*

The guy is a CHIROPRACTOR.

Jesus, for people who love to say "do your own research" you sure don't do your own research.

[WhiteTiger]

Originally Posted by evman150

*Yawn*

The guy is a CHIROPRACTOR.

Jesus, for people who love to say "do your own research" you sure don't do your own research.

Anyone with google and a few hours on their hands are as knowledgeable as those with Ph.D's, don't'cha know.

[NuclearPizzaMan]

Originally Posted by rayne008

I think some legitimate questions about vaccinations get pushed aside due to the ignorance and anger around this topic. Instead of typing out my concerns, I'll just copy snippets from this Doctor's blog, which contain some of the questions I have... Obviously I have no way to determine this guys credibility.







He does touch base on many of the diseases that we are being vaccinated for, including measles.



I think there are more than enough questions raised to promote an intelligent conversation, rather than mindless vitriol from both extremes of the issue.

WRONG.

This is the dumbest thing ever. The death rate improved dramatically because of the improvement in care provided to the sick.

More pertinent to the discussion of the effectiveness of the vaccine is the incidence rate.

Here is a terribly small graph from http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/meas.html that shows just how stupid what you quoted is.




You can't have an intelligent conversation with a moron. You can however round them up and exile them to one of the northern islands where they can frolic in their vaccine free paradise.