All I know is that the answer as to who really assassinated JFK will have a definite impact on my life and forever change who I am as a person, and internet debater.
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All I know is that the answer as to who really assassinated JFK will have a definite impact on my life and forever change who I am as a person, and internet debater.
If Oswald didn't kill JFK, then that means I'll never have been born!
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The Lost Bullet has been playing a few times on CBC and PBS. It goes through a better explanation of the first bullet that missed, and based on the placement of the shell casing on the floor, had probably glanced of a light standard.
The more telling explanation of Oswald's ability to fire 3 shots in near-impossible rapid succession was that in the Zapruder film, he had suspended filming briefly and resumed, presumably sometime just after the first shot.
I'm going to get a little nitpicky here myself, but most of the photos Flabi posted showing that leaving the president is the norm just doesn't pass my smell test.
This one appears to be taken on an Airport runway, there are unmanned motorcycles in the foreground and the Agents in the background aren't even in their car yet. Clearly this motorcade is not even running yet.
This next one is taken in front of the Washington Monument in DC, the "home-base" of the president, and what I would consider a secure and fortified location.
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And while I can't tell where the other 2 photos you provided were taken, I don't think you can either. While I've provided the source and relevant date of my images, you have yet to show where you sourced these images from, or when they were taken. For all we know they could all have been taken in during JFK's inaugural parade in 1960 when there wasn't a looming threat on the presidents life.
The secret service were ordered to stay off the Presidential limo and give JFK some space to campaign... by Kennedy himself
I'm going to get a little nitpicky here myself, but most of the photos Flabi posted showing that leaving the president is the norm just doesn't pass my smell test.
The Lost Bullet has been playing a few times on CBC and PBS. It goes through a better explanation of the first bullet that missed, and based on the placement of the shell casing on the floor, had probably glanced of a light standard.
The more telling explanation of Oswald's ability to fire 3 shots in near-impossible rapid succession was that in the Zapruder film, he had suspended filming briefly and resumed, presumably sometime just after the first shot.
Yeah, I saw this program about a year ago. I recall they hypothesized that the first shot was earlier than the Zapruder film (he only began filming as the car was quite close to him). It hit the traffic light, and then ricocheted and hit the curb down by the overpass. There was a guy, James Tague, standing down there that had a minor injury on his face, seemingly from a piece of concrete that sprayed up as a result of a bullet hitting the curb. A difficult theory to prove.
No, it shows campaigning and protection are often two opposing forces
I've already proven that there were agents on the back of his limo both 4 days before the assassination, and the actual day of the hit. I didn't see Kennedy turn around and shoo the agent away, did you?
Whats your proof that Kennedy called them off again? One uncorroborated quote from a guy promoting his new book? I've already linked to interviews with multiple secret service agents that claim Kennedy made no such request.
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Representative responses by former Secret Service agents and others to my question, "Did JFK ever 'order agents around', including having them dismount the rear area of the limousine?" were as follows:
Samuel A. Kinney (driver of the Secret Service follow-up car in Dallas), (interviewed on 10/19/92, 3/5/94, 4/15/94) -- "Absolutely, positively no. He (JFK) had nothing to do with that, no, never ... President Kennedy was one of the easiest presidents to protect ... ninety nine percent of the agents would agree."
Robert Lilley (a member of JFK's detail from election night until one month before Dallas), (interviewed 9/27/92, 9/21/93, 6/7/96) -- "I'm sure he did not. He was very cooperative with us once he became president. Basically, (his attitude was) 'whatever you guys want is the way it will be.'"
Arthur L. Godfrey (one of three shift leaders on the Texas trip), (interviewed 5/30/96, 6/7/96; correspondence 11/24/97) -- (JFK) never ordered us to do anything. He was a very nice man ... cooperative. He never asked me to have my shift leave the limo when we were working it."
Gerald A. Behn (chief of JFK's detail) (interviewed three times on 9/27/92) -- "I don't remember Kennedy ever saying that he didn't want anybody on the back of his car. I think if you watch the newsreel pictures and whatnot, you'll find agents on there from time to time."
A photo from the Tampa Tribune of November 19, 1963 -- three days before the assassination -- clearly supports Behn's contention. It depicts agents Donald Lawton and Charles Zboril on the rear of JFK's limousine in both urban and suburban areas, during a politically significant, high-visibility presidential visit to Florida.
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The Lost Bullet has been playing a few times on CBC and PBS. It goes through a better explanation of the first bullet that missed, and based on the placement of the shell casing on the floor, had probably glanced of a light standard.
The more telling explanation of Oswald's ability to fire 3 shots in near-impossible rapid succession was that in the Zapruder film, he had suspended filming briefly and resumed, presumably sometime just after the first shot.
If it was the first shot that missed, which is likely, then the time between shots is totally normal at about 8 to 10 seconds. Multiple times that's been proven reasonable. Or am I mistaken?
Some documentary I watched last night alleged that the Kennedy family (specifically RFK) accepted a botched autopsy, with the final results kept very secret, because they didn't want it revealed that JFK was addicted to prescription drugs- which we now know was related to his back problems and struggle with Addison's disease.
Case Closed was a New York Times bestseller and a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize in History. Case Closed was also the subject of a double issue of U.S. News and World Report, and featured on programs such as ABC's 20/20, CBS Special Reports, and PBS's Frontline. Posner testified before Congress about the findings in his book: that Lee Harvey Oswald had, indeed, acted alone in killing JFK. The book was optioned for a television miniseries by legendary Hollywood producer, David Wolper.
http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.c...nking-jfk.html Case Closed was not only a huge best seller but a blast of cold air on the fetid distortions; it was a contribution to a nation's sanity and faith in its institutions. The conspiracy industry, of course, saw our book and ad campaign as another conspiracy. I was warned we'd be sued, and we were. But we won every court case.
Harold Evans, (former president of Random House), My Paper Chase, 2009
I have had an on again off again interest in the assassination for about 10 years now and with the anniversary coming up, decided to DVR a few programs on the events 50 years ago today.
One that I DVRed, JFK: The Day That Changed Everything, I do not recommend as it was rather boring. They speak to a bunch of people who met the President before the assassination and go through the events leading up to the shooting of JFK, but there is nothing about the assassination itself. So unless you're one of those people who enjoy stories from people about where they were just prior to a big event, you're not missing anything from skipping this program.
The other that I have been able to watch was the NOVA - Cold Case JFK. This was quite fascinating and had forensic experts analyse and test ballistic evidence pertaining to the assassination (others have posted about this program in this thread). Prior to watching this program, I would have placed myself in the "conspiracy camp," mainly because I did not believe the "magic bullet" theory. However, this show provided tests that showed the theory is plausible. Also, the doctor that said the reason the head went back and to the left because of muscle spasms provided a compelling explanation for this phenomena.
The one CNN has been showing repeatedly is very good. "Jackie without Jack", produced by the Smithsonian was very interesting as well- actually had a lot of new footage and info- not so much relating to the assassination, but more on the life of the Kennedy's, from Jackie Kennedy's viewpoint, before and after the assassination.
JFK Assassination: 50 years later, narrated by Kevin Spacey and JFK: The final hours, narrated by Bill Paxton were decent as well.
None of the above were conspiracy videos, so I suppose a good number of people will criticize them.
The Jesse Ventura one on youtube is possibly the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen.
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Ok, I've finally cracked the Kennedy assassination, this theory comes after years secconds of research, painstakingly googling stuff and living on a diet of crack and whisky and those gold fish crackers
Spoiler!
the year 2330 or stardate 53614563 mark 5 . . . tuesday)
Spock returns horrified through the guardian forever after chasing McCoy who decided that he needed a drink of actual whisky had slipped into an alternative time line of the United States in the late 80's. He witnessed a time line where Lee Harvey Oswald missed his shot at Kennedy and had shot the Kennedy dog Charlie instead.
In a drunken rage Kennedy had decided to take things out on Marilyn Monroe, but suffering from Rage induced whisky d%%% left him feeling even more enraged and impotent. At that moment Kennedy pushed the old red button while muttering take that you vodka snorting atheist commie #######s (you need to say that in a boston accent and throw in a couple of Harvards).
Of course the Soviets reacted when Khruscheve equally drunk fires back at the States while muttering "Nobody likes a Yalie" oblivious to the fact that Kennedy went to Harvard.
Anyways, the world pretty much ends, the few survivors morph into brain eating 6 armed mutants who deal with first contact with the Vulcan's by slow roasting them over a fire while wrapped in basil leaves and soaked in Honey.
All due to one moment of impotence by Kennedy the world ended.
So Spock decided that the needs of me outweigh the needs of the many, aborst his rescue of Bones, who becomes a delicious stew due to his years of whiskey abuse.
Spock then returns to his timeline, steals the enterprise and initiates his calculations for Time warp.
He returns to 1963 in time to witness Lee Harvey Oswald fumbling with his rifle from the grassy knoll and shoots Kennedy with a submachine gun.
On the way back to the Enterprise, Spock kills three nuns, an off duty cop and four construction workers just because killing human's is entirely logical.
Or it could be that cats hated the fact that Kennedy was a dog person
The one CNN has been showing repeatedly is very good. "Jackie without Jack", produced by the Smithsonian was very interesting as well- actually had a lot of new footage and info- not so much relating to the assassination, but more on the life of the Kennedy's, from Jackie Kennedy's viewpoint, before and after the assassination.
JFK Assassination: 50 years later, narrated by Kevin Spacey and JFK: The final hours, narrated by Bill Paxton were decent as well.
None of the above were conspiracy videos, so I suppose a good number of people will criticize them.
Kind of wondered what sort of PTSD a person would suffer actually witnessing that, let alone sitting next to your husband and seeing that happen.
