Flames Exploring Trade Options

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by shermanator

I opened this thread thinking this would be about Baertschi after Millions tweets today. Leaving the thread satsfied.

huh? theres nothing about Sven and that idiot Millions.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

huh? theres nothing about Sven and that idiot Millions.

I think that's what he means.

He's satisfied there are no rumours of us shopping Baertschi.

[Bertuzzied]

Can we trade our Coach, pp coach and GM too?

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Can we trade our Coach, pp coach and GM too?

While we're at it, the Saddledome itself, and the 3rd jersey.

[FBI]

Even though Butler is playing better, what a joyous day it would be for me if we traded him for basically anything..

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by AC

While I would be ok with us re-signing Cammalleri, Stempniak, and even Stajan to a degree... give them that chance to comeback in the off-season.

But realistically, why would they choose to re-sign?

So if possible, trade any and all expiring UFAs.

Cammy for a 1st + prospect?
Stempniak for a 2nd?
Stajan for a 3rd/4th?
Butler for a Blockbuster membership card?

Hard to see how Stempniak would bring back a bigger return than Stajan.


The Flames got a in his prime 27 year old Stempniak for a 35 year old Langkow coming off a 4 game season getting paid 4.5M.

At the time the market guesstimate for Langkow was future considerations .... maybe a 5th round draft pick depending if he played.

So over the last 3 seasons Stempniak's value has gone up?

What sort of team needs a Stempniak?

[GreenLantern]

I would expect Pittsburgh to go hard after Stempniak, solid budget player for a team that is always tight rope walking the cap.

[puckedoff]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hard to see how Stempniak would bring back a bigger return than Stajan.


The Flames got a in his prime 27 year old Stempniak for a 35 year old Langkow coming off a 4 game season getting paid 4.5M.

At the time the market guesstimate for Langkow was future considerations .... maybe a 5th round draft pick depending if he played.

So over the last 3 seasons Stempniak's value has gone up?

What sort of team needs a Stempniak?

Around the trade deadline, lots of teams are looking for a depth winger who may be able to score some goals. I could see a team making a trade for him but unless Burke works some magic we won't get much back.


I think we should make any trade that we get good value on. Ultimately hopefully we will need to make room for Janko, Poirier and Wotherspoon in the future so we may as well try to pick up futures or other assets. We have cap space to replace our UFAs in the off-season anyways.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Poe969

There are lots of players that are going to be available in the off season. I know everyone has a hate on for Heatley so a player like him who can just be a goal scorer (to replace Cammy) might be perfect for this team. The Flames will hve tons of money and cap space to work with so I would rather them get new players and trade what we have.

Heatley is exactly the kind of vet that you don't want around your developing players.

[DOOM]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hard to see how Stempniak would bring back a bigger return than Stajan.


The Flames got a in his prime 27 year old Stempniak for a 35 year old Langkow coming off a 4 game season getting paid 4.5M.

At the time the market guesstimate for Langkow was future considerations .... maybe a 5th round draft pick depending if he played.

So over the last 3 seasons Stempniak's value has gone up?

What sort of team needs a Stempniak?

Yes, it has.

Teams that need solid scoring depth for a playoff run.

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by Jacks

Heatley is exactly the kind of vet that you don't want around your developing players.

Agreed, that's why I said "a player like him". In all honesty though, who's to say he hasn't changed or he wont' change. If he matures enough to become a role player, I could see him being a good mentor for Sven. Even if it's just to help coach Sven become a more offensive player... I wouldn't mind if Sven could put up the numbers Heatley did in a few of his years.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Hard to see how Stempniak would bring back a bigger return than Stajan.

So over the last 3 seasons Stempniak's value has gone up?

What sort of team needs a Stempniak?

Agree that Stajan should be worth at least the same, if not a little more then Stempniak but enough with the Stempniak is soft and useless agenda.

Yes, it has went up and his trade value from 3 years ago is irrelevant. This time last year Stajan was a buyout candidate who couldn't crack the Flames roster.

A team that needs a player that can play anywhere in the top 9 and some secondary scoring.

I saw you spouting off about Stempniak getting his face punched in but forgot to mention that he layed out a really good clean hit right before that, smashed himself face first into the boards and clearly didn't want to fight.

[Vinny01]

I hope we move all pending UFA's except Russell who deserves a new contract. I would like to see the Flames acquire some younger, bigger, meaner veterans to put around the kids. Adding picks and prospects at the deadline will allow the flames to have some nice trade chips at the draft.

The Flames will be loaded with cap space this summer and poised to win more trades as teams look to make changes

[MacFlame]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Definitely want to retain Stempniak. Good on-ice role model for the younger players. He leaves it all out there.

Otherwise please trade Cammalleri and Stajan.

I agree with your points above. Stempniak can score 20-25, he's good along the boards and he'll throw the occasional solid body check. However, his lack of aggressiveness really hampers him in being a better than average player. He gets bullied and there is very little push back from him.

Ditto for Galiardi. They're actually very similar players to me.

If he's on the bottom three with the occasional time on the third line, I have no problem with him. Othwerwise, next year I'd rather see what Ferland (or a player of his ilk) can do.

The Flames need players with a bit more "jam" to take them to the next level IMO.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Agree that Stajan should be worth at least the same, if not a little more then Stempniak but enough with the Stempniak is soft and useless agenda.

Yes, it has went up and his trade value from 3 years ago is irrelevant. This time last year Stajan was a buyout candidate who couldn't crack the Flames roster.

A team that needs a player that can play anywhere in the top 9 and some secondary scoring.

I saw you spouting off about Stempniak getting his face punched in but forgot to mention that he layed out a really good clean hit right before that, smashed himself face first into the boards and clearly didn't want to fight.

or even protect himself.


He didn't want to make Ferrence mad by grabbing his arms?

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by DOOM

Yes, it has.

Teams that need solid scoring depth for a playoff run.

The reason that the Yotes dumped Stempniak was because he totally vanished in the playoffs.

As a 26-27 year old 11 playoff games 2 assists and -7.


Butler has much better playoff stats than Stempniak. 7 games 1 assist -3 and 23:00 / game

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The reason that the Yotes dumped Stempniak was because he totally vanished in the playoffs.

As a 26-27 year old 11 playoff games 2 assists and -7.


Butler has much better playoff stats than Stempniak. 7 games 1 assist -3 and 23:00 / game

I wouldn't worry too much about any NHL executive measuring what Stempniak (or Butler for that matter) can bring to the table for a playoff run based on the tiny sample of 11 playoff games.

Even the worst NHL GM isn't that much of an idiot. They will likely look at his production this year on a bad team as more of the indicator as to what he'd bring.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I wouldn't worry too much about any NHL executive measuring what Stempniak (or Butler for that matter) can bring to the table for a playoff run based on the tiny sample of 11 playoff games.

Even the worst NHL GM isn't that much of an idiot. They will likely look at his production this year on a bad team as more of the indicator as to what he'd bring.

Remember we got a 1st and 2 prospects for Bouwmeester and his ZERO playoff experience.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

Remember we got a 1st and 2 prospects for Bouwmeester and his ZERO playoff experience.

Yep and Bouwmeester was significantly more highly regarded than Stempy.


basically the Flames got the #22 draft pick with a couple of 3rd+ rounders. They picked up Billins for nothing and he is obviously ahead of Cunadi and Berra is a 26 year old AHL goalie.



St. L thought it was going to be a #26 draft pick as they did not imagine being the first team out of the playoffs.

#22 for Bouwmeester ...... anything below #100 would be great for Stempniak.

The Flames picked up Russell for a 5th and Colbourne for a 4th..... How much better is Russell than Stempniak!!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I wouldn't worry too much about any NHL executive measuring what Stempniak (or Butler for that matter) can bring to the table for a playoff run based on the tiny sample of 11 playoff games.

Even the worst NHL GM isn't that much of an idiot. They will likely look at his production this year on a bad team as more of the indicator as to what he'd bring.

yep the GMs will probably look through at the worst players on the teams knocked out in the first round and figure out that these guys will play a lot better for them.