Will Sven Bounce Back?

[Gary83]

Originally Posted by FBI

Wtf. There goes his point streak he was building on.

Well, actually, if he scores the next game he's dressed for then he still has a 3 game point streak.

I'm more worried about the incoming Ashasx meltdown.

[Fire in the disco]

Is the scratch legit?? If he is healthy, and Jackman is taking his place....rabble rabble rabble!

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Gary83

Well, actually, if he scores the next game he's dressed for then he still has a 3 game point streak.

I'm more worried about the incoming Ashasx meltdown.

I don't see anyone saying that he's scratched on twitter or anything.

But if he is, it's just par for the course for Hartley. Would truly make no sense considering he has put up a couple points in his last two games. It would be hard for anyone to argue that this has anything to do with quality of play.

[edslunch]

He missed his coverage on the first Oiler goal. But if we're going to bench guys every time they miss coverage.....geez

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by edslunch

He missed his coverage on the first Oiler goal. But if we're going to bench guys every time they miss coverage.....geez

He was also the only forward back and actually inside the defensive zone when the goal was scored.

[Enoch Root]

If he is scratched, that is brutal player management from Hartley.

In the last two games, Baertschi has been the hardest working forward, along with Stempniak. And he has been one of the most effective.

Yes, he misplayed the back-check on the first Oiler goal.

So as a coach, what should you do?

How about sit him down, show him what he did wrong on that play and what he should have done, then tell him you love the effort he's giving out there, and throw him right back out there?

Benching him would leave him completely shell-shocked after those last two efforts.

Horrible player management if he does that.

[Poe969]

Benching Sven now is like telling him that unless you play a perfect game, you're not going to play for us.

There is NO WAY Sven will play a perfect game, his defensive game is not the best. He hustles and I feel his offense more than makes up for his defensive mistakes, especially if you consider the chemistry he's defeloping with Monahan.

Benching Sven again is a huge mistake that is starting to regress his progress.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I don't see anyone saying that he's scratched on twitter or anything.

But if he is, it's just par for the course for Hartley. Would truly make no sense considering he has put up a couple points in his last two games. It would be hard for anyone to argue that this has anything to do with quality of play.

all i can find is this.... projected line up for today's game on the flames site:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...d=rss-peterson

These lines are from Sunday's practice. Sven Baertschi alternated on lines during that skate. The lines will be updated after Monday's practice in Winnipeg.

No way he gets benched... Even i'd be annoyed if this were the case

[foshizzle11]

how many games has he played in his career as a Flame?

I don't think that he is done or is going to be a bust. If he can't handle this pressure, then he isn't the guy we thought we drafted. He has high hockey IQ, he is a great personality who seems very optimistic and appreciates the challenge. He will be a guy that is part of our future. Benching him isn't a regression on his progress, he still needs to learn a lot.

How many of you have ever coached at a top level? How do you know what benching will do to him? I doubt he is just sitting there eating popcorn. He is learning and I fully expect that someone from within the Flames organization is going over the plays with him as the game goes on.

He will be fine.

[FBI]

Hartley how many times can you hammer a square peg (jackman) into a round hole (playing with monahan and hudler) before you learn?? It NEVER works because it is a STUPID idea.

[pikester]

Originally Posted by devo22

I think the most important thing for Sven is confidence, and being a healthy scratch twice really didn't help him in that department. Now I feel he's scared of making a mistake and ending up in the press box again, and he constantly opts for the pass when he really needs to shoot ... he needs confidence and the freedom to make creative plays out there without the fear of being punished for them if they don't result in goals. I saw improvements in the Dallas game and I hope that when he finally gets a goal, he'll go on a nice hot streak just like last season.

I agree with this comment to a large degree. I know what Hartley has been trying to do; he knows the talent level of this team is pretty shallow so he's trying to whip the best out of what he has & set the expectation of hard work ethic. The problem is by calling out Sven so early in the season he set a dangerous precedent. Where do you go from here; what do you do with him in game 45 or 60? Now he has to bench him every time he falls below that level of expectation which means the kid might get benched for 50% of the season or else Hartley runs the risk of looking two-faced. How do you say a certain level of play is unacceptable & bench worthy in October but it's ok in January?

I think most people realise the ability of 19 or 20 guys playing at that level every night for 82 games is ludicrous & young players especially are going to have some rough nights & make mistakes, I just hope Hartley & Feaster don't ruin this kid inspite of that.

[troutman]

When you pamper your Young Guns, you end up like the Oilers.

[pikester]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

all i can find is this.... projected line up for today's game on the flames site:

http://flames.nhl.com/club/news.htm?...d=rss-peterson





No way he gets benched... Even i'd be annoyed if this were the case

Five min ago on Fan960 Pinder & Boomer just discussed Sven is riding the pine tonight ... again

[CliffFletcher]

I don't think Hartley has made Sven a scapegoat. However, on the latest Globe and Mail hockey podcast, Duhatschek praised the way Roy has handled the young players on the Avs. The players say that when they screw up, Roy addresses it right away on the bench, tells them what they should have done, and by the next shift they're out there again and it's forgotten. He's letting them play through their mistakes. Seems to be working for the Avs so far.

[pikester]

Originally Posted by troutman

When you pamper your Young Guns, you end up like the Oilers.

Certainly some truth to this but you also have to give young guys a lot of leeway to make mistakes, figure out how correct those mistakes, then improve. Don't forget most of these younger guys just breaking into the league aren't physically developed yet, or used to playing against fast, experienced 200+lb men so some of the plays they should be making they simply aren't able to accomplish yet.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by troutman

When you pamper your Young Guns, you end up like the Oilers.

That is such a garbage post - you're better than that.

There is probably a small sliver of middle ground between benching a guy every time he makes a mistake and handing the keys to the country club over to the kids before they even play a game.

[kermitology]

I noticed Baertschi on that first Oilers goal. He was the only forward coming back, Hall had the jump on him, had speed on him, he was in an impossible situation.

But of course he'll get benched as a result.

Sure, you don't hand icetime to youngsters like candy, but he's not playing as poorly as coaching staff would have you believe, and personally, I think they're expecting the wrong things from him. Same thing with Backlund.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by troutman

When you pamper your Young Guns, you end up like the Oilers.

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[JoelOtto29]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

That is such a garbage post - you're better than that.

There is probably a small sliver of middle ground between benching a guy every time he makes a mistake and handing the keys to the country club over to the kids before they even play a game.

What team are you watching? Calm down. The coaching staff know what they're doing and that certainly doesn't mean scratching him out of spite.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

If he is scratched, that is brutal player management from Hartley.

In the last two games, Baertschi has been the hardest working forward, along with Stempniak. And he has been one of the most effective.

Yes, he misplayed the back-check on the first Oiler goal.

So as a coach, what should you do?

How about sit him down, show him what he did wrong on that play and what he should have done, then tell him you love the effort he's giving out there, and throw him right back out there?

Benching him would leave him completely shell-shocked after those last two efforts.

Horrible player management if he does that.

Hartley's player management has been terrible this year so far. #FireHartley