And if they ruin his confidence by treating him like a workhorse starter rather than a rookie, they'll look like idiots. Why are they so impatient?
Do you mean overly patient? How is taking away his starting job impatient? Anyway it's hard to figure him out. He does seem much more skilled than Ramo or Mac. Reflexes, rebound control, reading the play, puck handling, but it seems like he loses sight of the puck easily or has trouble with traffic.
Do you mean overly patient? How is taking away his starting job impatient? Anyway it's hard to figure him out. He does seem much more skilled than Ramo or Mac. Reflexes, rebound control, reading the play, puck handling, but it seems like he loses sight of the puck easily or has trouble with traffic.
Right now all the losses are on him. Why not share the burden and let him breathe for a game here and there? A couple of weeks more of this and lots of people will be ready to write him off entirely.
What will determine his long term success is his mental strength, not his physical attributes. We know nothing about that yet. He has not played top level hockey in his career before now. Being patient means giving him time rather than trying to force it.
Right now it looks like they're trying to force him to make the coaching staff look good. I don't like the situation either for him or Rämö.
Refer to my post after that... Feaster did not start in Calgary and rebuild right off the bat. He tried to stay competitive, made the team soft and small through trades and signings, and then we bottomed out, and THEN he rebuilt.
I get what you're saying; Feaster seemingly started undermining this team before the official rebuild flag was waved but you also have to realise that GMs have a different blueprint for rebuilds than they do when they are trying to make adjustments around an established core to make a playoff push; all Gms do this. Feaster even said as much when boldly stating to the media after they suggested a rebuild might be in order, "...If ownership wanted a Gm for a rebuild then they hired the wrong guy!". He felt the missing ingredient was speed & a little more skill which is a rare commodity to aquire with size & grit these days so he did the best he could, working with the Win Now mandate he received from Ken King.
Unfortunately for Feaster, the Flames, & mostly the fans, the team was already on a downward spiral at least 2 years before the necessity for rebuild was officially recognised.
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I agree... How did Feaster get let off the hook by Flames fans again? We were all ready to fire him after the O'Reilly incident but as soon as he cried "rebuild" we sorta forgot about his body of work. This team, he built this. These are his guys. Call it a rebuild, I see suck.
Rebuilding teams suck. They just do. Because the guiding principle of a rebuild is that the future matters more than the present. The Flames are 20 games into the rebuild. If fans are freaking out now, I can't imagine what they'll be doing 200 games in.
You can't wave a wand and add talent to an NHL franchise. Ultimately, you have to draft it. Feaster inherited a team with maybe the worst collection of under-27 talent in the league. It was clear to some of years ago that it would take many years of strong drafting to ice a Flames team with elite talent.
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Refer to my post after that... Feaster did not start in Calgary and rebuild right off the bat. He tried to stay competitive, made the team soft and small through trades and signings, and then we bottomed out, and THEN he rebuilt.
As long as Iginla was on the team, there could be no true rebuild. If you think the decision to trade Iginla and initiate a rebuild was in Feaster's hands.... Well, I don't know what to say.
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One of our media members HAS to call Hartley out on this. Ference was bad enough, but the same thing happened to the same player the game before, with the similar lack of a care from the team.
There are roster players on this team who have proven in this past that they act first and ask questions later, but clearly the coach would be explicitly prevented them from standing up for a teammate given the pillow soft response in two straight games.
So you think Hartley instructed his team not to respond? Man the pitchforks are out!
So you think Hartley instructed his team not to respond? Man the pitchforks are out!
I don't think it's that severe, but considering the organizational mantra about toughness, we have really not stuck up for teammates under Hartley, last season too. The fact that this still happens when we play useless goons every night is really odd.
I don't think it's that severe, but considering the organizational mantra about toughness, we have really not stuck up for teammates under Hartley, last season too. The fact that this still happens when we play useless goons every night is really odd.
I'm not against fighting in the NHL but there's something bizarre about two heavyweight gladiators staging a fight and then congratulating each other afterwards. You might as well arrange the fight as intermission entertainment between the periods for all the effect on the game it has.
Personally I like McGrattan a lot but guys like him are not a deterrence.
I don't think it's that severe, but considering the organizational mantra about toughness, we have really not stuck up for teammates under Hartley, last season too. The fact that this still happens when we play useless goons every night is really odd.
This is the problems. We have useless goons that apart from staged fights and cycling in order to give other lines a rest, they add nothing to the team. This goes back to B. Sutter (Stajan/Kotso/Jackman). Hartley is following the same pattern. This needs to change. Find a better fourth line that has an opportunity to contribute, whether it be through physical play or PK play. But having players who play 5 min a night is a waste of roster space and detrimental to the team.
I'm not against fighting in the NHL but there's something bizarre about two heavyweight gladiators staging a fight and then congratulating each other afterwards. You might as well arrange the fight as intermission entertainment between the periods for all the effect on the game it has.
Personally I like McGrattan a lot but guys like him are not a deterrence.
And at the time the flames had the momentum. Why did McGratton fight. So stupid and silly
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And at the time the flames had the momentum. Why did McGratton fight. So stupid and silly
To me Stempniak was the best player in the game and the way he's been beaten up lately should have served the purpose of waking up the team. You need a team that plays for each other. One or two fist lords on the fourth line have very little impactful time on the ice.
Right now when someone gets into a fight they can't handle or sacrifices his body a bit, the rest don't follow. That just makes the guy trying to do something feel like a lone idiot.
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Teams that had 3-4 rebuild seasons = STL - LA - CHI - NYI - BOS - MIN - PITTS
- Islanders are on their 3rd major rebuild since the early '90's; the latest beginning around early 2007 with Smith/Snow. Their lastest rebuild is in year 6-7.
-St Louis started rebuilding in 2007 with Davidson & the rebuild could be considered finished in 2012. 5 year rebuild.
-Boston could be argued to have started their latest rebuild in 2005 when they traded Thornton until @ 2010 when they finally showed to be a legitimate playoff threat which would be a 5 year rebuild.
-I won't even dicuss Pittsburgh as a comparable, most organisations don't get the kind of opportunities to draft ( then properly develop) generational franchise players like they did in those years!
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- Islanders are on their 3rd major rebuild since the early '90's; the latest beginning around early 2007 with Smith/Snow. Their lastest rebuild is in year 6-7.
-St Louis started rebuilding in 2007 with Davidson & the rebuild could be considered finished in 2012. 5 year rebuild.
-Boston could be argued to have started their latest rebuild in 2005 when they traded Thornton until @ 2010 when they finally showed to be a legitimate playoff threat which would be a 5 year rebuild.
-I won't even dicuss Pittsburgh as a comparable, most organisations don't get the kind of opportunities to draft ( then properly develop) generational franchise players like they did in those years!
My point in wading in to it was to affirm that big changes at this stage in the team's course is akin to an over-reaction. Maybe Feaster is let go at the end of the year, or in two year's time (which I doubt will happen, given Burke's public support for him, and the generally fairly positive reviews of his work in recent months), but right now it is premature and uncalled for.
I have no idea why you're even arguing this. Do you know what over-reaction means? If a poster here has for quite some time been saying that Feaster should be fired and is simply reiterating what he has said before, that's not called over-reaction nor is it premature. As for it being uncalled for, exactly what has Feaster done to warrant staying on the job? Heck, had Colorado not matched his offer for ROR, the Flames might be in a situation where they lost ROR to waivers and don't have Monahan.
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-Boston could be argued to have started their latest rebuild in 2005 when they traded Thornton until @ 2010 when they finally showed to be a legitimate playoff threat which would be a 5 year rebuild.
Boston has been in the playoffs since the 07/08 season. In 08/09 they were the top seed in the Eastern Conference. Their rebuild was shorter than 5 years.
Regardless, I think it's all about recognizing where the team is and when it can start competing. Even St. Louis didn't follow a 5 year plan but they kept drafting and was careful not to trade away their prospects for aging veterans.
the flames choked no question but if this was a good team Edmonton was playing, they would have been killed.... they are soft and have a lack of compete, thus their record... they can think they are special because they won but they are garbage
- Islanders are on their 3rd major rebuild since the early '90's; the latest beginning around early 2007 with Smith/Snow. Their lastest rebuild is in year 6-7.
-St Louis started rebuilding in 2007 with Davidson & the rebuild could be considered finished in 2012. 5 year rebuild.
-Boston could be argued to have started their latest rebuild in 2005 when they traded Thornton until @ 2010 when they finally showed to be a legitimate playoff threat which would be a 5 year rebuild.
-I won't even dicuss Pittsburgh as a comparable, most organisations don't get the kind of opportunities to draft ( then properly develop) generational franchise players like they did in those years!
And even if they didn't have the budget to do more in the earlier years, Chicago had acquired many of their pieces through years of sucking prior to the last phase of the rebuild.
And unlike many (all?) of the teams listed, the Flames are starting from a position of completely empty cupboards
Edit: I should say they started to restock the empty cupboards a couple years ago. Regardless, it takes years to go from empty to cup contender status
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So you think Hartley instructed his team not to respond? Man the pitchforks are out!
I can't imagine anyone on that bench, from McGrattan down the line, liked seeing Ference do that to Stempniak, or, the game before against Dallas.
So why didn't he, at some point over the next 48 minutes, get him or one of the Oilers? Forget even McGrattan. Hell, we've seen Matt Stajan step in and muck it up either last year or the year before when someone took a run at Sven or Backlund.
When the same veteran skilled guy, who fights 3 times in 575 games and then is bullied into to being all alone out there to get into two fights in two games, with players on his team that are on the team to protect the roster and have historically acted first and asked questions later, on the bench, let that slide, something doesn't add up.
