[PGT] Flames vs. Oilers. Flames lose 4-2.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Mister Yamoto

I can believe it. And not only do I believe it, I'm getting used to it.

This team is a punchline. The fact that their are still some people defending Jay Feasters' work here is laughable.

Brian Burke makes Feaster the biggest lame duck GM since ..........................well Jay Feaster, in his last season of completely wrecking the Lightning. All part of the process I guess.

I agree... How did Feaster get let off the hook by Flames fans again? We were all ready to fire him after the O'Reilly incident but as soon as he cried "rebuild" we sorta forgot about his body of work. This team, he built this. These are his guys. Call it a rebuild, I see suck.

[Badgers Nose]

The start of a rebuild is a bad time to grade the architect IMO.

Flames picked Feaster to do the rebuild after giving him a try out.

If you don't like the direction cheer for a different team.

No amount of crying is going to change it. It's less about being a Feaster defender and more about being able to perceive the reality that exists away form the computer screen.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by saillias

I agree... How did Feaster get let off the hook by Flames fans again? We were all ready to fire him after the O'Reilly incident but as soon as he cried "rebuild" we sorta forgot about his body of work. This team, he built this. These are his guys. Call it a rebuild, I see suck.

There are a lot of people who haven't let Feaster off the hook, but unfortunately the important people, ownership, have. The guy was completely grandfathered in after Sutter was gone, hired his buddy, who shouldn't even be in the NHL, to coach and is living on his "great drafting" ... which is still a projection with no tangible results yet.

It sucks so bad that he's at the helm, along with Hartley, at such a critical point in this team's history.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Bah, I'm sure we all loved when Ference pulled the same stunt 10 years ago on Stillman. I'm sure 90% of us would have gone on and on about his character back then.

No issue with what Ference did, and kudos to Stempniack for standing up for himself. Problem is the Flames didn't do anything about it. Someone should have gooned Ference later in the game, and given they didn't, Ference better get pounded by someone in the next meeting, this supposedly tight team needs to check their commitment to each other at this point.

When Ference did it 10 years ago, the motivation is exactly what many posters are saying is a huge deficiency for the team. We loved it because he was standing up for his teammates.

Ference kicked the snot out of Stillman after Stillman cheap shotted Nilson earlier in the series.

In this scenario, Ference is Stillman and there isn't a 'Ference' to be found on the Calgary squad.

It's an interesting personnel problem, because guys that can actually play as well as play assertively, don't grow on trees.

If you're Lee Stempniak this morning, how do you feel about the organization and your teammates after getting tuned up in consecutive nights? Probably not good.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by Trailer Fire

Props to Gratts for his tilt and the respect show afterwards. Staged or not that was a good bout.

I thought the same at first, but really, doesn't that just kill the "blow off steam" argument in favour of fighting? Choreographed right down to the love pats afterwards. Tell me getting rid of this would increase stick work and all the usual BS. Now I would have no problem on the other hand if Grats handed Ference his @ss after beating on Stempniak who clearly wanted no part of it and was already injured from crashing into the boards.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by saillias

I agree... How did Feaster get let off the hook by Flames fans again? We were all ready to fire him after the O'Reilly incident but as soon as he cried "rebuild" we sorta forgot about his body of work. This team, he built this. These are his guys. Call it a rebuild, I see suck.

I really liked what the Flames did at the draft keeping all 3 first round picks. Also am very pleased with all 3 selections in the first round. I liked the trades for Galliardi, Russell, Colborne, Knight, Smid. The flames are in year 1 of a long rebuild. The team needs another high end prospect or 2. Ekblad/Reinhart would be huge moving forward. The flames have ample cap space, contract room, and are not locked into any bad contracts right now.

I think the Flames should commit to selling soon and load up on assets. Continue to pursue deals similar to the Smid trade to replace the veterans that are going out for picks. The Flames will have significant cap space, draft picks, and tradeable contracts to make a lot of noise this summer if they play their cards right. Feaster has positioned this team to have near maximum flexibility which is ideal for a rebuilding team.

Having said that I am okay replacing him at anytime with Burke taking over or Burke bringing in Regier

[browna]

Originally Posted by saillias

The media, the team, and the coaches don't seem to care about the Ference thing in the slightest? This is the most upset I've been with this team since they pissed away their playoff spot and traded Phaneuf. I can't believe they let that slide.

One of our media members HAS to call Hartley out on this. Ference was bad enough, but the same thing happened to the same player the game before, with the similar lack of a care from the team.

There are roster players on this team who have proven in this past that they act first and ask questions later, but clearly the coach would be explicitly prevented them from standing up for a teammate given the pillow soft response in two straight games.

[powderjunkie]

On 630 CHED after the game the "analysts" said the Stempniak made a mistake by choosing to fight...basically saying he was a willing combatant. I suppose he could have turtled, but there was very little choice in the matter.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

The start of a rebuild is a bad time to grade the architect IMO.

Sure, if the President/owners decided one day, "hey it's rebuild time, lets get ourselves an architect." But, that is not what happened. Feaster had years' worth of a body of work to be evaluated on. His team, his roster, became a basement dweller and he sold the fans and ownership on a rebuild. That's the difference here.

Originally Posted by Badgers Nose

If you don't like the direction cheer for a different team.

No amount of crying is going to change it. It's less about being a Feaster defender and more about being able to perceive the reality that exists away form the computer screen.

You just brushed aside all differing opinions with a "crying" label and used the "if you don't like it, get out" fallacy. Not having a discussion with you if you post like that.

[EYE_Overstand]

People who hate on feaster don't give him enough credit for the past 3 drafts - and to move out the contracts he did last year.

The next wave of UFAs to be shipped out will be the up coming trade deadline and with Burke on board I am very comfortable with believing the outcome will go well.

Now it's time to address the lack of size/ toughness on our team and that should happen immediately

[Mister Yamoto]

The Flames can't properly start rebuilding because Jay Feaster has to first undo what he has done already. Butler, Ramo, Jones, Hartley etc.

[Enoch Root]

And you - saillias - simply ignored all the good things he has done.

For example, in the last 6 months, he has traded 3 4th round picks and a 5th round pick for Galiardi, Colborne, Knight and Russell

That is incredible asset management. Not only is there virtually no chance that you could do that well with those picks, but by trading the picks for young players that are already developed, he has immediately upgraded the pool of young players and fast forwarded the rebuild by quite a bit.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

People who hate on feaster don't give him enough credit for the past 3 drafts - and to move out the contracts he did last year.

The next wave of UFAs to be shipped out will be the up coming trade deadline and with Burke on board I am very comfortable with believing the outcome will go well.

Now it's time to address the lack of size/ toughness on our team and that should happen immediately

?? ... he traded a hall of famer and a top 2 defenseman. It's not like he traded 4th line pluggers making 6 million a year.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by nik-

?? ... he traded a hall of famer and a top 2 defenseman. It's not like he traded 4th line pluggers making 6 million a year.

So the rest don't count?

Iginla, Bouwmeester, Taguay, Comeau, Begin, Cervenka, Babchuk, Sarich

Average age 31+

Cap hit $24.4m

and that doesn't include Kipper

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

And you - saillias - simply ignored all the good things he has done.

For example, in the last 6 months, he has traded 3 4th round picks and a 5th round pick for Galiardi, Colborne, Knight and Russell

That is incredible asset management. Not only is there virtually no chance that you could do that well with those picks, but by trading the picks for young players that are already developed, he has immediately upgraded the pool of young players and fast forwarded the rebuild by quite a bit.

Unfortunately it was necessary to spend assets to get some of those players. However, that's just a further example of deficit spending to fill out a terrible roster of his own creation.

Russell is the only guy where the 4th for him was a steal. Colbourne, Knight and Galiardi are very much debatable. The need was there to acquire some more players, but that's a GM'ing issue, and continuing to spend assets to get them isn't a terrific strategy, even if they are maligned as only being '4th rounders'.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

When Ference did it 10 years ago, the motivation is exactly what many posters are saying is a huge deficiency for the team. We loved it because he was standing up for his teammates.

Ference kicked the snot out of Stillman after Stillman cheap shotted Nilson earlier in the series.

In this scenario, Ference is Stillman and there isn't a 'Ference' to be found on the Calgary squad.

It's an interesting personnel problem, because guys that can actually play as well as play assertively, don't grow on trees.

If you're Lee Stempniak this morning, how do you feel about the organization and your teammates after getting tuned up in consecutive nights? Probably not good.

I think there is some "convenience" arguments there justifying why we thought it was ok when Ference was a Flame, and why it's not now. But I do agree, we need someone willing to stick up for each other when people pull what Ference did last night, something this team sorely misses.

[memphusk]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I think there is some "convenience" arguments there justifying why we thought it was ok when Ference was a Flame, and why it's not now. But I do agree, we need someone willing to stick up for each other when people pull what Ference did last night, something this team sorely misses.

Makes me miss Prust.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

So the rest don't count?

Iginla, Bouwmeester, Taguay, Comeau, Begin, Cervenka, Babchuk, Sarich

Average age 31+

Cap hit $24.4m

and that doesn't include Kipper

Bolded players left of their own accord. I don't think that's a feather in his cap when they were all his original signings in the first place and all were mostly terrible in their time with Calgary. Edit: Except kipper, obviously.

Italicised players were moved in a lateral move to rid the team of a terrible contract that feaster signed for one that was perhaps slightly less terrible. Lost the trade in terms of players, came out slightly ahead in contracts.

Underlined players moved for somewhat questionable returns, with a protocol error from Flames management contributing to that questionable return being forced to take a lesser package from Pittsburgh.

That is a substantial reach to find feathers for Feaster's cap.

[EYE_Overstand]

Originally Posted by nik-

?? ... he traded a hall of famer and a top 2 defenseman. It's not like he traded 4th line pluggers making 6 million a year.

And tangs ...

The easiest trade was Jerome but bou tangs and sarich were all tough trades to make

[nik-]

lol, you can't reference moving Tanguay as moving a contract when we got two worse contracts in return in that trade.