[PGT] Flames vs. Oilers. Flames lose 4-2.

[jimslob]

Originally Posted by FAN

Umm... what? Proclaiming Feaster is a competent based on what appears to be competence of late and ignoring what he did the past couple of years is over-reaction. It's not over-reaction when one has wanted Feaster fired for quite some time and have been consistent about it. No reaction there.



You're missing the point. Nobody is advocating keeping 7 goaltenders between the Heat and the Flames. You identify the goaltenders you want to move forward with and then trade or get rid of the rest if you have no place for them. Bishop has been traded twice the past two years because both the Blues and the Senators thought they had two better goaltenders to go forward with. Obviously, had the Flames acquired Bishop or Bernier, it's only logical that either McDonald wasn't getting a contract extension or Ramo wouldn't have been brought over.



They were Flames property but they were unsigned. Ramo and Berra were targeted by Feaster but it's not like the Flames were heavily invested in them. If there's a clear upgrade you don't worry about how much you invested in Ramo or Berra. It's like Monahan. Sure the Flames envision him as the team's franchise center for years to come but say if the Pens came offering Crosby or Malkin, Monahan is out of here.

Feaster's body of work here is mediocre at best here. Why is it silly to call for Feaster's head when he hands out a two year, one-way, $2.75M contract to Kari Ramo who might not even be the team's 2nd best goaltender next season? Feaster's tenure here has been a massive failure and he's been wrong much more often than he has been right.

Is that $2.75M total over two years or $2.75M AAV? If it's the later that is pure insanity!

The Canucks just signed Eddie Lack to a two year $1.15 M AAV contract and he has proven just as much as Ramo has so far in the NHL, which is not to much by the way.

[Barnet Flame]

It wasn't enough to lose.

No, they had to stick a cherry on top of the cake, leading through two periods looking completely comfortable only to #### it up in the grandest possible style, just to make the win just that little bit more enjoyable for the Oilers.

Can't chase a game, can't hold alead and can't play for three periods.

[jimslob]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Isn't it well known the Flames were in on both Schneider and Bernier but the asking prices were higher because the teams were in the same conference?

Even though you could have used him be thankfull you didn't get Schneider, it would have cost you Monahan and posibly other parts for the Canucks to trade him to the Flames.

Monahan IMO will be more important to the Flames going forward than a 27 yr old goalie, no matter how good Schneider may become.

For what it's worth I think the Canucks had their eyes on Horvat all along and would have taken him over Monahan if both picks were on the table still.

This over the years will be like the Linden/Modano debate from years ago, many Canuck fans felt we got the better player, I for one was hoping Minnesota took Linden with the first.

For a couple of years it looked like I was wrong but soon Modano proved himself to be the better player.

Sucks to say it as a Nucks fan but Monahan will be a good one for you guys, he has star written all over him! Please don't wreck him.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Isn't it well known the Flames were in on both Schneider and Bernier but the asking prices were higher because the teams were in the same conference?

The thing is, what assets do the Flames have for deals like that? About the only thing we have that other teams want is prospects and first-rounders. I would have been choked if Feaster dealt away our first for Schneider.

And that's my only fear about this rebuild - that the braintrust will get impatient and try to shortcut this thing by dealing away a first. Reality is this franchise is in a deep hole talent-wise, and the only way out is through the draft. And it will take years.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Isn't it well known the Flames were in on both Schneider and Bernier but the asking prices were higher because the teams were in the same conference?

No it is not, unless you've got some source. Bernier from LA maybe, but those rumors died off after the Iginla trade.

[Caged Great]

Here is how I break down the three goals that were given up by Berra.

1st one - He over compensated in his movements and lost himself in the net. This opened up a decent chunk of space for Eberle to put it in.

2nd one - That was just a very weird goal. In the ten years I've been going to games I don't recall the glass being used as a way to center the puck over the net like that.

3rd one - That was a bad goal. However, stuff like that occasionally happens. That's why it's never a bad idea to throw the puck at the net from there once in a while as it can pinball into the net.

All in all, Berra had a very good first two periods a bad goal, a fluke and an oddball goal that he should've had. It sucks, but the worse thing is that he is the best thing we have at the moment.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

No it is not, unless you've got some source. Bernier from LA maybe, but those rumors died off after the Iginla trade.

I'm sure the flames and oilers were both strongly rumoured to have interest but the Canucks wanted more. Could be wrong

[Bertuzzied]

How terrible are our goalies? Old MacDonald still leads the Flames in Wins, GAA andd Save percentage after he got banished to the AHL which felt like months ago....

[browna]

Originally Posted by Bertuzzied

How terrible are our goalies? Old MacDonald still leads the Flames in Wins, GAA andd Save percentage after he got banished to the AHL which felt like months ago....

MacDonald played less worse in the game he got put on waivers after, then that last night.

A stat I had to look up. Prior to Thursday, Stempniak played 575 NHL reg season games and had 3 fights. He's since been forced into 2 fights in back to back games, and the Flames players and coaches are apparently fine with this, as no formal retribution was enacted on the assaulting player, or an equivalent player on the other roster after either of those incidents. Back to back games, at home, no less. Sickening for a team that, if nothing else, should be showing some pride.

[Erick Estrada]

Goaltending has been below par but there's no reason to panic and trade future assets for a goaltender during the season. The best outcome for the Flames this season would be to have one of the top two overall picks in the draft. Sign a UFA to hold things down for Gillies in the offseason but they are going to have to ride the season out with Jay and Bob's hand picked goaltenders in Ramo and Berra.

[Poe969]

If anything, I'd trade Ramo and bring up Ortio but there really isn't a need. THis team is bad and no goalie is going to save them. Let them grow and mature with time.

If anything, improving our defense is a bigger need. I know some people on here are going to say how good our defense is and how this palyer is good and that palyer is good....We don't have any good defensemen. Most of our guys would be third pairing on any decent team, maybe second pairing if they're lucky. We have some bad defensemen who've played better than they are and that's about it.

Goaltending isn't as bad as it seems.

[Caged Great]

To me Ramo is more or less an average backup where Berra's is more of a good/decent backup. Both are still backups though. Unless they improve neither will be starters beyond this year. Still though, it is necessary for them to continue to give them ice time to see if they emerge into something useful. If they are still being embarrassingly bad, then maybe you bring Ortio up around the Olympic break. It's going to be a long season, but it isn't necessary to get another goalie. With our defense, you could have a top 5 starter out there and we'd still lose.

[Poe969]

Exactly, you coud have Roy or Brodeur in their prime in net for he Fames but if we were the defenders inront of him he'd lok bad.

[868904]

Originally Posted by browna

MacDonald played less worse in the game he got put on waivers after, then that last night.

A stat I had to look up. Prior to Thursday, Stempniak played 575 NHL reg season games and had 3 fights. He's since been forced into 2 fights in back to back games, and the Flames players and coaches are apparently fine with this, as no formal retribution was enacted on the assaulting player, or an equivalent player on the other roster after either of those incidents. Back to back games, at home, no less. Sickening for a team that, if nothing else, should be showing some pride.

Shouldn't surprise you when we have a guy like Glencross wearing an A. He pulled an Erixon on Backlund last year when Backlund was getting manhandled. Monkey see monkey do. Your "leaders" set the tone.

I miss the days when we had guys like Ference, Prust, Oliwa, and Simon. Guys who would gladly take a suspension to stick up for a teammate. SOB is one of those guys but everyone on this board hates him. Instead everyone thinks we need to sit SOB for more skilled but soft players, cause fighting is bad.

[foshizzle11]

Ya, agree with the last two posts. Berra has played in what like 8 games in the NHL with a bad team in front of him?

If we only have every prospect 8 games to prove if they could be useful, imagine the star our team would be in?

[Fire in the disco]

Originally Posted by Poe969

If anything, I'd trade Ramo and bring up Ortio but there really isn't a need. THis team is bad and no goalie is going to save them. Let them grow and mature with time.

If anything, improving our defense is a bigger need. I know some people on here are going to say how good our defense is and how this palyer is good and that palyer is good....We don't have any good defensemen. Most of our guys would be third pairing on any decent team, maybe second pairing if they're lucky. We have some bad defensemen who've played better than they are and that's about it.

Goaltending isn't as bad as it seems.

I disagree, just look at ALL of our goalies GAA and save %. We have seen a lot of bad goals, and bad goaltending. This is to be expected given the lack of NHL experience our tenders have combined, Joey Mac has the experience but clearly is not a viable future tender for this team. So they will role with what they have for this year, and see which goalie eventually gets hot.

Our D clearly hasn't been great either, but the goaltending has been awful at best. Also we are missing Gio who IMO is a 1B on almost any team in the league. Wideman is easily top 4 as well, and Brodie keeps getting better, then their is Russel who plays way above his pay grade and slots in the top 5 on almost any team. I don't think we can blame the D on this one

[polak]

Originally Posted by Poe969

Exactly, you coud have Roy or Brodeur in their prime in net for he Fames but if we were the defenders inront of him he'd lok bad.

Or Kiprusoff?

[Igster]

Originally Posted by browna

A stat I had to look up. Prior to Thursday, Stempniak played 575 NHL reg season games and had 3 fights. He's since been forced into 2 fights in back to back games, and the Flames players and coaches are apparently fine with this, as no formal retribution was enacted on the assaulting player, or an equivalent player on the other roster after either of those incidents. Back to back games, at home, no less. Sickening for a team that, if nothing else, should be showing some pride.

Imagine if Darryl was still the coach. Pretty sure someone would have paid for this crap.

[Machiavelli]

"We gave them two goals out of (four)," Hartley said during a very brief one-question-and-one-answer media meeting after his team’s 4-2 loss Saturday in National Hockey League action at the Scotiabank Saddledome. "After 40 minutes, I felt we gave them nothing. We were playing our style.

"But the first goal and the third goal — there’s only one word for those two goals. Awful."

"Awful," Matt Stajan said when asked about the third period. "We came out and gave them a goal early. After that, they had all the momentum. You can’t play this way in this league. You give that team an inch and they get one? They’re going to take advantage. That’s just a terrible third period by us. I can’t explain it. The last few games, we’re going through spurts where we just fall apart.

"We’ve talked about it and we’re going to have to keep talking about it. You get scored on in this league, you can’t roll over. That’s what’s happened to us the last three games — and it cost us the game tonight against a team that’s struggling over there. It’s unacceptable. There’s not much more to say. We’ve no one to blame but ourselves."

"I thought Luke Gazdic and Andrew Ference’s responses were excellent," said Eakins, "and went a long way toward igniting our team."

http://www.calgaryherald.com/sports/...263/story.html

More evidence that the d-bag Ference "response" should have been acknowledged by Stempniak's teammates.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Ference's response was 'excellent'?

That's actually kind of sad to hear a coach say. Lost a lot of respect for Eakins for saying that.