Should Canada merge with the USA?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Well my post was mostly tongue in cheek, but I think you took my point on guns incorrectly. My point is that a psychopath could get a concealed weapon license, just like yourself. But if no one is allowed to carry concealed weapons whats the fear?

How many Canadians in here feel a daily threat of robbery is strong enough to carry a gun? Dont want to start a gun debate, its just interesting that you feel threatened enough by where ever you live that having a gun on your hip is the only way to feel safe. Doesn't that say a lot about the state of your city/state/nation?

You're not suppose to shoot people it's illegal, schools or at movies theaters but crazy "mommy didn't hug me" idiots go and do it.

The main reason why I carry a gun is when the idiot that wanted "suicide by cop" here in Tuscaloosa went off and shot his AK into a bar was able to leave the scene of the crime faster than the police's 1min response time. It's too cumbersome to carry a cop at all times. They're a reactionary force that can only do something once it has happened. But I've also said before a gun doesn't make me any stronger or more of a man. That is my brain, and I wouldn't just start shooting like all the keyboard cowboys say they would do if the situation comes.

Two thugs shot a guy last saturday here in town because he "was a Bama Fan" seriously! people are crazy!!!!

[missdpuck]

Mexican Coke rules. Yes, the soda.

[moon]

Originally Posted by TurnedTheCorner

Just like the Great Britain soccer team in the World Cup.

Hey add Bale, Ramsey, Williams and maybe Marshall in net over Hart to the current England team and GB would be a pretty impressive team.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Two thugs shot a guy last saturday here in town because he "was a Bama Fan" seriously! people are crazy!!!!

See, this is why we don't want you guys.

I'll ignore the rest of the gun stuff though, don't want this to spiral into one of those threads. I am curious though, is it legal for that man to have that AK?

[GoinAllTheWay]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Does it not seem logical that if no one is allowed a concealed weapon, no one needs a concealed weapon?

Sadly, no. We aren't allowed concealed weapons anywhere in Canada yet willing to bet there are hundreds on the streets of Calgary at this very moment.

Not suggesting that as a result, we should allow people to conceal carry. Just pointing out that just because it's not allowed doesn't mean it isn't happening.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Sadly, no. We aren't allowed concealed weapons anywhere in Canada yet willing to bet there are hundreds on the streets of Calgary at this very moment.

Not suggesting that as a result, we should allow people to conceal carry. Just pointing out that just because it's not allowed doesn't mean it isn't happening.

Oh I agree, you're never going to get rid of all of it.

Well you could, but you would have to disarm the entire planet. Which would be nice, but not likely.

[HOWITZER]

Came across this, thought I might just leave it here for you to debate.

Washington Post Article


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It irks me that they call it the 11 American nations. I don't live in America, I live in Canada, and (no offence to my lovely southern neighbours, and my extended family) I don't want to be associated with America.

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On the merger, I could see an economic union working, but I would be extremely wary on giving American enterprise full-reign to do what they please in Canada. I think the EU has worked okay because many of the countries have similarly sized economies, meaning no one country dominates. But the German/Portuguese/Greek/Irish divide illustrates that one country's size and economic might can potentially cripple another smaller country. In Canada, we're that smaller country.

I would be 100% in favour of easing border restrictions, and letting goods travel easily between the countries, but first and foremost we need to fix those problems between the provinces. If total free-trade between provinces works, then we can talk about Canada-US open economic tie.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

Sadly, no. We aren't allowed concealed weapons anywhere in Canada yet willing to bet there are hundreds on the streets of Calgary at this very moment.

Not suggesting that as a result, we should allow people to conceal carry. Just pointing out that just because it's not allowed doesn't mean it isn't happening.

As long as your talking guns and not other weapons like knives, I would take that bet in an instant. There simply are not hundreds on the street in Calgary at this moment. There aren't even that many gun convictions in a year. Yeah, I know if you have one hidden, you may not get charged, and that's the whole point of course, but hundreds is a big stretch. The stats just don't indicate that at all. Even if you think about it logically it doesn't make sense. How many of 1 million people in Calgary are criminals? Then what percentage of them are continuing dangerous offenders? Then what percentage carry guns daily? The numbers just aren't there.

Now, I'll agree, that that probably isn't because of the law outlawing them, it's more of the culture. But there isn't hundreds of illegal guns on the streets of Calgary.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by PIMking

You're not suppose to shoot people it's illegal, schools or at movies theaters but crazy "mommy didn't hug me" idiots go and do it.

The main reason why I carry a gun is when the idiot that wanted "suicide by cop" here in Tuscaloosa went off and shot his AK into a bar was able to leave the scene of the crime faster than the police's 1min response time. It's too cumbersome to carry a cop at all times. They're a reactionary force that can only do something once it has happened. But I've also said before a gun doesn't make me any stronger or more of a man. That is my brain, and I wouldn't just start shooting like all the keyboard cowboys say they would do if the situation comes.

Two thugs shot a guy last saturday here in town because he "was a Bama Fan" seriously! people are crazy!!!!

But see, you're kinda just agreeing with his point. It's sad to exist in a culture where you feel (rightly or wrongly) you need a gun to keep yourself safe.

We don't have that there. We feel safe enough. In fact, most feel safer in not carrying them, as they do cause accidents.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I carry to protect myself from the thugs who would rather rob someone than make a living legally.

And right here you have the exact reason I am not interested,

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

See, this is why we don't want you guys.

I'll ignore the rest of the gun stuff though, don't want this to spiral into one of those threads. I am curious though, is it legal for that man to have that AK?

Well yes and no, it was a semi auto model so as long as he was legally able to obtain a firearm then it was legal. To get a fully auto rifle you have to go through so serious hard background stuff and pay a stupid crazy expensive fee.

[Resolute 14]

We already have a close economic partnership with the US. Formalizing it (beyond NAFTA and the like) doesn't serve any real purpose.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by DuffMan

And right here you have the exact reason I am not interested,

Every time Pimking talks about gun laws, makes endless College football references, openly admits how proud he is to be a gun carrier I always get the feeling Displaced Flames Fan dies a little on the inside. He's put so much work into being a rather normal every day American then this guy comes along and ruins it all.

[Zarley]

Originally Posted by HOWITZER

It irks me that they call it the 11 American nations. I don't live in America, I live in Canada, and (no offence to my lovely southern neighbours, and my extended family) I don't want to be associated with America.

You do realize that Canada is part of America as it stands, no?

[jayswin]

^^^^^^

Going the semantics route, I see?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Every time Pimking talks about gun laws, makes endless College football references, openly admits how proud he is to be a gun carrier I always get the feeling Displaced Flames Fan dies a little on the inside. He's put so much work into being a rather normal every day American then this guy comes along and ruins it all.

Heheh, or maybe a little vicarious joy?

[HOWITZER]

Originally Posted by Zarley

You do realize that Canada is part of America as it stands, no?

Yeah, as is Brazil, Argentina, Chile, Mexico, etc.

My point is that the term "America" in general/political/media circles is almost exclusively reserved for the USA. So, as long as the mass interprets "11 Nations of America" as "11 Nations of the United States", I will take issue with it.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PIMking

Well yes and no, it was a semi auto model so as long as he was legally able to obtain a firearm then it was legal. To get a fully auto rifle you have to go through so serious hard background stuff and pay a stupid crazy expensive fee.

And you don't see the correlation there? If the guy isn't allowed to get an AK, that likely doesn't happen. Yeah he could probably obtain one illegally, but you don't think making it illegal in general would make it less likely that someone carries an AK into an establishment and shoots it up?

[PIMking]

Originally Posted by MattyC

And you don't see the correlation there? If the guy isn't allowed to get an AK, that likely doesn't happen. Yeah he could probably obtain one illegally, but you don't think making it illegal in general would make it less likely that someone carries an AK into an establishment and shoots it up?

I totally agree. I've stated that if all guns would be turned in I would be all for it and turn mine in. But in reality it won't be. (Let's end the gun talk)

[Coach]

Originally Posted by PIMking

I totally agree. I've stated that if all guns would be turned in I would be all for it. But in reality it won't be. (Let's end the gun talk)

Fair enough. A gentleman's debate!

But the gun talk was just 1 example in a short list of reasons why, while we may seem similar, there are vast ideological differences between Americans and Canadians that will just not allow this to happen