Hartley very impressed with Joe Colborne

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Some people are making valid point with regarding to the younger players being benched...

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...I can't believe how disappointed I was when Hartley was announced the new coach of the Flames, how last season I was a bit 'won-over' by him in some ways, and how this season I am just thrilled that he is the guy in charge.

[TheDebaser]

Preach brotha

[moon]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

I think Hartley is the best coach this team has had since Darryl (and I know there will be people who disagree with me). Why do I think that?

Darryl was the very last coach that was able to make this team better than the sum of its' parts. Every other coach has failed to do so. I know Moon has made it clear he hates Hartley, but even Moon would find it difficult to refute that this team has been playing better than the sum of its' parts (especially when you factor in the shaky goaltending since he doesn't think Berra and Ramo are much to write home about, right Moon?).

I think they have played about like I expected. Horrible defensively, really suspect goaltending, a lot of energy/enthusiasm, some moments of offensive gems from our scorers but basically a terrible overall offense.

I would say they have got better results than their play has indicated and that likely is to even out as the season gets longer. I think I had them 27-28th this year basically because they seem to have guys who give a crap unlike Florida and one team always seems to go off the rails completely (Buffalo) and so far it still looks that way.

Hartley was a terrible coach before coming was terrible last year and at best has been meh (based on having nothing to work with) this year. I am fine if he stays for a couple years and takes the losses during the rebuild. He sure doesn't mind losing so he is fine for what is going to take place in the next 3-4 years but hope once the team starts to improve its talent and looks like it is ready to turn the corner he is canned for a real coach that can help this team turn into a contender.

[ramizle]

Originally Posted by moon

I think they have played about like I expected. Horrible defensively, really suspect goaltending, a lot of energy/enthusiasm, some moments of offensive gems from our scorers but basically a terrible overall offense.

I would say they have got better results than their play has indicated and that likely is to even out as the season gets longer. I think I had them 27-28th this year basically because they seem to have guys who give a crap unlike Florida and one team always seems to go off the rails completely (Buffalo) and so far it still looks that way.

Hartley was a terrible coach before coming was terrible last year and at best has been meh (based on having nothing to work with) this year. I am fine if he stays for a couple years and takes the losses during the rebuild. He sure doesn't mind losing so he is fine for what is going to take place in the next 3-4 years but hope once the team starts to improve its talent and looks like it is ready to turn the corner he is canned for a real coach that can help this team turn into a contender.

Just to break down Moon's post.

Positives:
- a lot of energy/enthusiasm
- they seem to have guys who give a crap

Negatives:
- Horrible defensively
- suspect goaltending
- basically a terrible overall offense
- better results than their play has indicated and that likely is to even out as the season gets longer
- Hartley was a terrible coach before coming was terrible last year and at best has been meh
- He sure doesn't mind losing
- [hope] he is canned for a real coach that can help this team turn into a contender

Sometimes I agree with your posts (I even agree with parts of this post) but you are the biggest negative Nancy in this forum. It's good to play devil's advocate to show the majority the other side of the story but you are just so damn negative. Moon, I wonder like most people here, are you really a Flames fan?

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by ramizle

Just to break down Moon's post.

Positives:
- a lot of energy/enthusiasm
- they seem to have guys who give a crap

Negatives:
- Horrible defensively
- suspect goaltending
- basically a terrible overall offense
- better results than their play has indicated and that likely is to even out as the season gets longer
- Hartley was a terrible coach before coming was terrible last year and at best has been meh
- He sure doesn't mind losing
- [hope] he is canned for a real coach that can help this team turn into a contender

Sometimes I agree with your posts (I even agree with parts of this post) but you are the biggest negative Nancy in this forum. It's good to play devil's advocate to show the majority the other side of the story but you are just so damn negative. Moon, I wonder like most people here, are you really a Flames fan?

Moon is the poster we deserve, not the one we need right now. We'll poke fun at him, because he can take it. Because he's not a fan, he's something more; a watchful eye, a devils advocate...

a dark knight.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Moon is the poster we deserve, not the one we need right now. We'll poke fun at him, because he can take it. Because he's not a fan, he's something more; a watchful eye, a devils advocate...

a dark knight.

He has the posts of both predator and prey

[CliffFletcher]

Considering the talent on the Flame is bottom 3 in the league, and they've had some significant injuries already, I'd say Hartley is doing a fine job.

[1stLand]

I wonder what Hartley could do with Brett Sutter......

[Poe969]

Urn him into Daryl...

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Considering the talent on the Flame is bottom 3 in the league, and they've had some significant injuries already, I'd say Hartley is doing a fine job.

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

[strombad]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

Sure it is, because despite our bottom 3 talent, we've been right in games against opponents like St.Louis, San Jose, Colorado, Chcago, etc.

But you know, standings always tell the whole story about a team right?

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

They're a far more exciting team to watch than I thought they'd be, so I'd say yes. Expectations have been exceeded.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

Yeah, I'd say so. Hartley has given this team a hard working, never give up attitude and the wins might not be there but I like the results so far. During the last road trip the Flames played three of the top six teams in the entire NHL, Colorado, Chicago and St. Louis. They beat the Blackhawks and despite losing to both Colorado and St. Louis they showed a real gutsy attitude to never quit not just give up.

Remember the first period of the Blues game? They were down by two, it was starting to look ugly, everyone here was saying how bad the game was going, how we'll be lucky to finish the game only losing by 6 or so. Instead the 2nd period hits and the Flames don't just quit, they end up only losing by one goal. It's the same story vs Colorado too.

So yeah, the wins aren't there but they aren't just throwing in the towel and losing, they're actually competing, sometimes against the best teams in the NHL and holding their own.

Obviously I'm not a huge fan of everything Hartley does but coaching is everything in the NHL and Hartley has shown he is the leader this team needs right now. The Flames haven't had a true leader behind the bench since Darryl Sutter.

[Calgary4LIfe]

It is easy to look at the standings and say "Hartley is a poor coach", but it becomes more difficult to do that when you watch the Flames play, especially against the top talent teams in the league, and to do so without (no offense to Ramo or Berra) goalies standing on their heads and stealing games.

[Itse]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

I almost always listen to the opposing teams play-by-play guys (because they talk more about the other team, which I know less about). "This is a hard working team", "they're a fun team to watch" and "Bob Hartley has done an excellent job" are basicly the current talking points about the Flames around the league, and IMO that says something.

We have had serious goaltending issues, every notable veteran outside of Hudler and Wideman have been injured at some point, and we've had a rather tough schedule so far. Being higher up in the standings than we should be despite it all AND being entertaining while doing it is IMO no small coaching feat.

So yeah, I'd agree, at this point it seems that Hartley is the best coach we've had since Darryl.

[Street Pharmacist]

Anybody think our record looks much different with better goaltending?


Not asking whether that's the goal or not, just what do you think our record is with, say Giguerre or Lehner

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Itse

I almost always listen to the opposing teams play-by-play guys (because they talk more about the other team, which I know less about). "This is a hard working team", "they're a fun team to watch" and "Bob Hartley has done an excellent job" are basicly the current talking points about the Flames around the league, and IMO that says something.

We have had serious goaltending issues, every notable veteran outside of Hudler and Wideman have been injured at some point, and we've had a rather tough schedule so far. Being higher up in the standings than we should be despite it all AND being entertaining while doing it is IMO no small coaching feat.

So yeah, I'd agree, at this point it seems that Hartley is the best coach we've had since Darryl.

Not only that, but we've only played 6 home games so far. Tied for fewest in the nhl

[Psytic]

I couldn't care less where we finish this year as long as Hartley keeps these guys hungry which is exactly what he is doing. If your not going full tilt you will be benched. Have to hold these guys to a higher standard since they are the future like C4L said. Nothing wrong with instilling work ethic in these guys while they are still young.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

Moon is the poster we deserve, not the one we need right now. We'll poke fun at him, because he can take it. Because he's not a fan, he's something more; a watchful eye, a devils advocate...

a dark knight.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

The talent is bottom 3 and we are the 6th worst team in the league. Is that really exceeding expectations by much?

Yeah, we're not laying over and dying for teams like we did last year. For the last few seasons if we were down a few goals after the first you could pretty much put it in the loss column. This season they still might not win but they sure as hell try. That's all i can ask of them at this point.