Hartley very impressed with Joe Colborne

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Well, Colborne is getting WAAAAAAAY more icetime then Backlund & Sven.

When you are getting key minutes and PP time, you are expected to produce more then teammates that are getting secondary minutes.

So while we may have got him for a 4th Rounder, its irrelevant.

Patently untrue.

[kirant]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Well, Colborne is getting WAAAAAAAY more icetime then Backlund & Sven.

Colborne: 12:49/game, 11:09/game EV, 1:26/game PP, 0:12/game PK
Backlund: 15:58/game, 12:39/game EV, 1:21/game PP, 1:58/game PK (highest on team)
Baertschi: 13:50/game, 12:37/game EV, 1:12/game PP, 0:00/game PK

Colbourne gets more PP time, but seems to be given much less time typically. Especially when you consider Backlund's heavy use as a PK player.

[irrevocable]

Originally Posted by kirant

Colborne: 12:49/game, 11:09/game EV, 1:26/game PP, 0:12/game PK
Backlund: 15:58/game, 12:39/game EV, 1:21/game PP, 1:58/game PK (highest on team)
Baertschi: 13:50/game, 12:37/game EV, 1:12/game PP, 0:00/game PK

Colbourne gets more PP time, but seems to be given much less time typically. Especially when you consider Backlund's heavy use as a PK player.

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

U mad bro?

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

Umm, are you alright?

[Karl]

MOD EDIT: Post removed

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

Why you so mad? Jimmey Kimmel get your parents to eat your Halloween candy?

[Dion]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

[djsFlames]

Can't jump on a dude for telling it as it is. Typical CP response too..

The fact that the subject of this thread is somehow riveting enough to still be ongoing is mindblowing. Lmfao at people expecting a greater point total from Colborne. The kid has barely cracked the NHL. I'd say he's doing fantastic given that fact. Good for him. Just about all there is to say here... really need a game day or something.. moving on.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can't jump on a dude for telling it as it is. Typical CP response too..

The fact that the subject of this thread is somehow riveting enough to still be ongoing is mindblowing. Lmfao at people expecting a greater point total from Colborne. The kid has barely cracked the NHL. I'd say he's doing fantastic given that fact. Good for him. Just about all there is to say here... really need a game day or something.. moving on.

I thought his response was awesome... god knows I reached that point a few times reading this forum.

I like Colborne. It's unfair when people compare his ice time to that of Sven, or Backs. Especially Backlund. Backlund is essentially the veteran of the three so he should be held to a higher standard, add into that Hartley wants him to show more offensive flair, regardless of his linemates. Putting up points, and creating scoring chances in my mind are different things. If your consistently creating chances then as your linemates and ice time improve then the point totals will start to improve as well. It's about consistency.

And Colborne, he might not have the point totals for the fantasy people, but he is playing consistent hockey, rarely takes a shift off, and wants to get better. Hard to not like the kid. Once he fills out, and catches up to his body, he'll be a good player, patience, he'll learn... I like that he's consistently trying to use his bigger body to create space, and utilizing his reach. From day 1 I feel like the coaching staff has stressed that with him, and asking him to use his body more and he's doing what they ask.

[EldrickOnIce]

How do you make sure, on a lottery pick hockey club, that your young players don't develop an entitled culture of losing, like we see up north?
You reward hard work.
You reward competitiveness.
You reward those who listen and learn.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Good on you, Joe. Keep it up.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by EldrickOnIce

How do you make sure, on a lottery pick hockey club, that your young players don't develop an entitled culture of losing, like we see up north?
You reward hard work.
You reward competitiveness.
You reward those who listen and learn.
Lead, follow, or get out of the way.
Good on you, Joe. Keep it up.

And don't forget only benching those you don't like and not do it consistently

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

And don't forget only benching those you don't like and not do it consistently

Oh? When has he done that? I suppose you have some apparent evidence that benching has occurred as part of a personal distaste for certain players and not at all being related to the teaching of younger players?

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by strombad

Oh? When has he done that? I suppose you have some apparent evidence that benching has occurred as part of a personal distaste for certain players and not at all being related to the teaching of younger players?

I have a hard time believing Backlund needs to show more offence when grouped with slugs, and Baertschi does not appear to be the most ineffective player to me.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

I have a hard time believing Backlund needs to show more offence when grouped with slugs, and Baertschi does not appear to be the most ineffective player to me.

They are both young players with not only a lot to learn, but a lot of unmet potential. This does not speak to personal distaste at all, but if you're into the conspiracy theory mumbo jumbo then go for it.

Backlund needs to be able to produce offence despite his linemates, and Baertschi needs to be putting in an effort above and beyond everyone else to prove he should be regarded above and beyond everyone else, it's simple stuff.

Plus, you'd notice that Backlund was rewarded last game by being thrown back on the first line with Cammi and (I think Hudler) and the 3 were lights out offensively, had an awesome game. It goes to show, if you work hard at something, Hartley will reward you. Colborne saw his minutes drop because his effort was questionable.

All young players are being treated equally, but the expectations of each of them are much different, as they should be. So enough of this victimising junk. You don't see those two complaining about personal vendettas, so no reason you need to be.

[fatso]

Originally Posted by irrevocable

I'm sick of this bipolar fanbase. Thank you for the truth! This forum is absolutely brutal and crazy. I said Joe would start outworking ppl, I was right, he's doing what he's told.. if you don't like the point totals go cry on HF forums.. you punks.

Now that's the kind of steadfast online stance that would appear to be...

IRREVOCABLE!

[moon]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Can't jump on a dude for telling it as it is. Typical CP response too..

Telling it like it is?

He paints a message board with 100's if not 1000's of posters with the same brush.

If I say one thing and MMF says another is CP bi-polar or is it two guys with different opinions?

He then insults the forum he posts at saying it is "brutal and crazy."

He then pats himself on the back for some sort of prediction about Colborne out working other guys. A. Patting yourself on the back like that is pathetic and b. who really cares about that stupid prediction anyways?

Finally ends of the post with the always great if you don't like it go somewhere else. Not lets have a debate or talk about it but just leave if you don't agree. Always a solid way to add to a message board which largely relies on debates, discussions and diagreements.

I don't know what the "typical CP response" BS means but if it means that when a person makes a crazy rant like that they will be met with equally inane posts pointing out how crazy/funny it was then I am glad that is the typical CP response.

[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by strombad

Oh? When has he done that? I suppose you have some apparent evidence that benching has occurred as part of a personal distaste for certain players and not at all being related to the teaching of younger players?

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that Colborne has been poor in some games but has yet to be benched. I watched him on the ice in the Minnesota game shift after shift and he was very disappointing. It doesn't need to be a distaste for some players and/or blatant favoritism, but I think it fair to say that the repercussions are different for different rookies / bubble players.

All of this with the obvious caveat that I'm not a coach and don't know what they're looking for.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

I don't think it's unreasonable to point out that Colborne has been poor in some games but has yet to be benched. I watched him on the ice in the Minnesota game shift after shift and he was very disappointing. It doesn't need to be a distaste for some players and/or blatant favoritism, but I think it fair to say that the repercussions are different for different rookies / bubble players.

All of this with the obvious caveat that I'm not a coach and don't know what they're looking for.

I agree with most of what you post, with this key exception. I don't think the "reprecussions" are different for players. Coach seems to stick you up in the press box for everyone if he's not happy or feels you need to learn. That seems to be consistent, at least for the younger players.

What is clearly different IMO is "what" earns you that ticket to press box is clearly different for each rookie / bubble player. And as long as the coach or staff is clear with each player as to what they are looking for, then there should be no issue with that.