[News] Flames scratch Sven...again

[Azhouse]

He should have played tonight.

[Phanuthier]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

What would you expect them to say publicly? I have never heard a player come out and say; "Ya, he has to work harder and listen to the coach. He really dogs it in practice...".

A good teammate wouldn't do that even if they agreed with the decision. I am sure Sven is a great guy and they all love him. That doesn't mean they disagree with the coach.

Pretty sure I hear it a few times a year.

But even if Sven is dogging it..... I thought in his rookie year, he was a "first on the ice for practise, last off, always wants to learn more and asks a lot of questions" ...... somehow all of that went down the crapper the last year?

[Corral]

Originally Posted by moon

What examples are there?

I had Ted Nolan as a coach and Alex Radulov as a recent player example in my mind as I typed. other coaches would include Don Hay or maybe even Dave King ... I suppose on the GM side of things, I was thinking more of the opposite in that there seem to be certain guys who keep their job for some unknown reason - and the 'club' is all I can think of - guys like Sather or Gillis or the clowns in Edm.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Corral

I had Ted Nolan as a coach and Alex Radulov as a recent player example in my mind as I typed. other coaches would include Don Hay or maybe even Dave King ... I suppose on the GM side of things, I was thinking more of the opposite in that there seem to be certain guys who keep their job for some unknown reason - and the 'club' is all I can think of - guys like Sather or Gillis or the clowns in Edm.

Ted Nolan coached two teams with okay results. He then tried to get his GM fired and acted like an a-hole and went to interviews unprepared. The only thing keeping Ted Nolan out of the NHL is Ted Nolan.

Don Hay had two coaching stints in the NHL with poor results. Not sure why he should get any more chances than that.

Dave King had two coaching stints in the NHL with mixed results. Again not sure what he has done to show he deserves anymore than what he got.

Alex Radulov left on his own and then when he came back he acted incredibly unprofessional and didn't want to play defense.

I am really not sure how any of these guys didn't get chances let alone come close to being out of the NHL because they didn't follow the "rules."

Sather keeps his job because he has Stanley Cup wins and is able to fool James Dolan who is a moron. Gillis has had one shot, his team has made the play-offs every year and made a Cup final. Is it really that hard to figure out why he has a job?

[burn_this_city]

Grinders matter

[Righteous1]

Originally Posted by burn_this_city

Grinders matter

Jackman matters

[puckluck2]

Funny how Monahan has been invisible these last 2 games...

[Stay Golden]

0-3 scratching Sven its not working Bob

[Righteous1]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

Funny how Monahan has been invisible these last 2 games...

Yeah but he still has the most goals and is doing decent in the face off circle

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by Righteous1

Yeah but he still has the most goals and is doing decent in the face off circle

That wasn't my point...

He built chemistry with Hudler and Baertschi and that line was playing well and then genius Bob decides to break it up.

[lifetimefan]

Did Sven do Hartley's wife or something equally as damning?
I find it hard for a guy to "find a way to get time on the ice" while sitting in the pressbox.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

That wasn't my point...

He built chemistry with Hudler and Baertschi and that line was playing well and then genius Bob decides to break it up.

Agreed. You are bang on with this.

Benching Sven is affecting Monahan as well.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Where did I say that?

Burke saying something is one thing. Hartley then doing the same thing would be nothing more than rubbing his nose in it.

You're saying that Hartley should rub Sven's nose in it? (See what I did there)

No. I'm saying you either support the public lashing or you don't. You can't pick and choose who does it or when you use it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by puckluck2

That wasn't my point...

He built chemistry with Hudler and Baertschi and that line was playing well and then genius Bob decides to break it up.

Out of thanks but you are correct on this one. The chemistry has been broken and that line is suffering because of it.

[1stLand]

Originally Posted by Dion

Out of thanks but you are correct on this one. The chemistry has been broken and that line is suffering because of it.

My favorite Jackman "mental Midget" play of the game is when at the start of the game, Hudler and Monahan had a 2 on 1 and Monahan almost scored, but if he did, the goal wouldn't have been counted as the ref blew the whistle because Jackman was back in the Flames end getting into a fight with a St. Louis Blues Plugger.

Great contribution Jackman.

[moon]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

My favorite Jackman "mental Midget" play of the game is when at the start of the game, Hudler and Monahan had a 2 on 1 and Monahan almost scored, but if he did, the goal wouldn't have been counted as the ref blew the whistle because Jackman was back in the Flames end getting into a fight with a St. Louis Blues Plugger.

Great contribution Jackman.

Barret Jackman is a hell of a lot better than a plugger but I guess the point remains basically the same.

[Mister Yamoto]

^Both Jackmans' going off for 5 is a great tradeoff for the Flames.

Actually except for that spearing major a few games ago Jackman has been solid in his role this season. Also looked really good in the preseason. You can't blame Jackman for this. This is all Bob Hartley.

[Mister Yamoto]

^Both Jackmans' going off for 5 is a great tradeoff for the Flames.

Actually except for that spearing major a few games ago Jackman has been solid in his role this season. Also looked really good in the preseason. You can't blame Jackman for this. This is all Bob Hartley.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by moon

Ted Nolan coached two teams with okay results. He then tried to get his GM fired and acted like an a-hole and went to interviews unprepared. The only thing keeping Ted Nolan out of the NHL is Ted Nolan.

Don Hay had two coaching stints in the NHL with poor results. Not sure why he should get any more chances than that.

Dave King had two coaching stints in the NHL with mixed results. Again not sure what he has done to show he deserves anymore than what he got.

Alex Radulov left on his own and then when he came backhe acted incredibly unprofessionaland didn't want to play defense.

I am really not sure how any of these guys didn't get chances let alone come close to being out of the NHL because they didn't follow the "rules."

Sather keeps his job because he has Stanley Cup wins and is able to fool James Dolan who is a moron. Gillis has had one shot, his team has made the play-offs every year and made a Cup final. Is it really that hard to figure out why he has a job?

The phrase I've bolded in your quote is exactly what i'm getting at. Likewise, you should think about who's opinions you are accepting when you say someone acted unprofessionally or 'had his chance' or tried to get his GM fired (that sounds like its against the club rules for a coach).

[moon]

Originally Posted by Corral

The phrase I've bolded in your quote is exactly what i'm getting at. Likewise, you should think about who's opinions you are accepting when you say someone acted unprofessionally or 'had his chance' or tried to get his GM fired (that sounds like its against the club rules for a coach).

If you can't get along with your boss that isn't going against the rules of a coach that is going against the rules of any job. Going behind his back to get him fired is likely to get you fired from almost any job you have and not be desirable to get you rehired. That is not a NHL thing that is a job thing.

Throw in the fact that he reportedly showed up to job interviews unprepared to answer questions and acting like he deserved to be handed a job and it isn't him breaking any rules for NHL coaches it is him being a poor candidate.

Ted Nolan is a mediocre coach with a horrible attitude and an entitlement issue. That is what is keeping him from being a coach in the NHL not some BS he broke the NHL rules garbage.