Well not straight up. More as the "spine" of the deal. The Oilers are in a weak position and the players they are willing (Hemsky) or reluctant (Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Gagner) to trade aren't going to get them home on a top 2 defenseman or a top end goalie - they'll have to add to get either. Plus, those items alone aren't, IMO, going to save the season or right the ship.
Teams like Phoenix or Winnipeg with several defenseman might be inclined to entertain a deal with the Oilers, but the asking price is going to be high and neither of those teams are in the same situation as the Oilers - management feeling the heat, fan base getting restless, etc.
A team like Philadelphia who has a GM working to save his job might be a good partner, but to get a package that the Oilers would need to make a difference is going to cost them a lot (a guys like Simmonds or Hartnell would do wonders). A team like Toronto might be worth considering with their injuries and management viewing this as a good chance to strike while the iron is hot - but would they part with Gardiner or Reimer? If so, you'd have to think the price would be considerable or the return would include some baggage (JML).
The Oilers could always trade their 2014 first rounder. That would have considerable value at this point.
True. Another "reluctant" option, I would imagine.
Who would you be targeting with the likes of the 1st, Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz and to a much lesser value, Hemsky?
It's hard to say because as fans we don't know who is available.
Nashville would make good trading partners. With Seth Jones playing so well they might be willing to move Roman Josi, plus a solid bottom sixer or two for a skill infusion.
Rangers have Giradi, Staal, and McDonagh. Nash is out with a broken head. They might want to cash in some D for O. Sather likes to make big moves.
Ottawa has a lot of middling young depth that they could part with.
Its probably not prudent to trade any of the young talent for depth though. Flames fans have seen first hand when you trade guys like Regehr, Phaneuf, Bouwmeester, Iginla for futures or depth you just end up with an even crappier team. You need to get a solid contributing piece in return.
If the game against Florida is another loss and the oilers once again don't crack 25 SOG... I think that would have to be the straw that breaks he camel's back. Not sure if it's a trade or a firing but they would have to do something. Wouldn't they?
[–]Oilfan9911 32 points 2 hours ago
Jay,
I'm a huge fan of yours, a medium sized fan of Dans, an am relatively indifferent towards Producer Tim.
My question is: can you offer any words of hope to the long suffering Oilers fans such as myself?
Thanks!
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[–]jonrait[S] 76 points 1 hour ago
Not really. Unless Katz comes to his senses and fires everyone in the front office (but keeps Eakins)
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[–]Oilfan9911 32 points 2 hours ago
Jay,
I'm a huge fan of yours, a medium sized fan of Dans, an am relatively indifferent towards Producer Tim.
My question is: can you offer any words of hope to the long suffering Oilers fans such as myself?
Thanks!
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[–]jonrait[S] 76 points 1 hour ago
Not really. Unless Katz comes to his senses and fires everyone in the front office (but keeps Eakins)
It's hilarious how it's so obvious what the problem is with that organization but one of the richest men in the country is completely oblivious to it. Kind of makes you wonder about some of these rich guys. I think it gets to a point where their ego clouds their ability to think rationally.
Well not straight up. More as the "spine" of the deal. The Oilers are in a weak position and the players they are willing (Hemsky) or reluctant (Eberle, Yakupov, Schultz, Gagner) to trade aren't going to get them home on a top 2 defenseman or a top end goalie - they'll have to add to get either. Plus, those items alone aren't, IMO, going to save the season or right the ship.
Teams like Phoenix or Winnipeg with several defenseman might be inclined to entertain a deal with the Oilers, but the asking price is going to be high and neither of those teams are in the same situation as the Oilers - management feeling the heat, fan base getting restless, etc.
A team like Philadelphia who has a GM working to save his job might be a good partner, but to get a package that the Oilers would need to make a difference is going to cost them a lot (a guys like Simmonds or Hartnell would do wonders). A team like Toronto might be worth considering with their injuries and management viewing this as a good chance to strike while the iron is hot - but would they part with Gardiner or Reimer? If so, you'd have to think the price would be considerable or the return would include some baggage (JML).
My point, I suppose, is that the Oilers HAVE to do something. Another top 3 pick is not going to turn things around quickly enough for the fans or to save management. There isn't an answer in the UFA pool (unless you think Phaneuf is the answer - IMO he re-signs with TO). Other teams, aside from Philly, don't have to make a move... especially if it isn't lobsided in their favor.
Pominville was recently traded for a 1st, 2nd, Matt Hackett (former 3rd rounder), and Johan Larsson (former 2nd rounder). Eberle is realistically worth more.
If Rundblad or Schenn is the "spine" of an Eberle trade then they are getting hosed. I think you are underrating his value.
Pominville was recently traded for a 1st, 2nd, Matt Hackett (former 3rd rounder), and Johan Larsson (former 2nd rounder). Eberle is realistically worth more.
If Rundblad or Schenn is the "spine" of an Eberle trade then they are getting hosed. I think you are underrating his value.
JVR was traded for Schenn. JVR is at least equal to Eberle.
The Pominville trade was at the deadline. I think that changes things a little.
The Oilers might be able to get a couple of high round picks for Eberle, but they don't need more prospects and light at the end of the (endless tunnel) guys. They need guys that can be plugged into their defense or into net and carry the team. I'm sure Eberle could return a #3-4 defenseman and a pick, but does that get the Oilers over the hump?
My point is that maybe they can get a defenseman that needs a fresh start (Schenn, again, Runblad, etc) who has upside AND another prospect/higher round pick. But they're not going to get the magic pill trading what they have because what they need is basically unavailable.
It's hilarious how it's so obvious what the problem is with that organization but one of the richest men in the country is completely oblivious to it. Kind of makes you wonder about some of these rich guys. I think it gets to a point where their ego clouds their ability to think rationally.
I sometimes wonder if he just doesn't care. He's making money, so why worry. Makes for great entertainment.
I sometimes wonder if he just doesn't care. He's making money, so why worry. Makes for great entertainment.
Katz lives in Vancouver, so maybe he is a Canuck fan and thinks it's funny to run the oilers into the ground. Tarnishing the reputation of former players by letting them do stupid things in management is just icing on the cake for him. I'd have a lot more respect for him if this was true.
Pominville was recently traded for a 1st, 2nd, Matt Hackett (former 3rd rounder), and Johan Larsson (former 2nd rounder). Eberle is realistically worth more.
If Rundblad or Schenn is the "spine" of an Eberle trade then they are getting hosed. I think you are underrating his value.
You can't use any Buffalo trade as a measure - Regier always makes out like a bandit
