So I guess the next question is, how big does this go? For me it's the old onion adage. The deeper you get, the more it stinks. I think there is still a lot of police work going on behind the scenes and I think we find out this guy is a huge crook. One of the guys in the picture with him is dead, and the other is in jail. We know he's been trying to get the tape back, we know he's been making deliveries and having late night meetings. And he's always been rumored to be consorting with, and involved with, criminals.
We know crime mixes with politics on occasion. Probably more than we'd care to admit. With all the mayors and politicians getting nabbed in Quebec, why wouldn't Ford be involved in something too? (Not necessarily the same thing, but in some sort of illegal activity) And even if he isn't involved, which, at this point would surprise me, you gotta think he's been compromised somehow. If criminals have tapes you doing drugs and are extorting you, they're gonna have control over you and your decisions.
How all his supporters are not asking this totally amazes me. Sometimes partisan politics gets so nasty it really truly blinds you to your side. It's sad.
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Dude when it comes to the Canucks, it could be a team of Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, Augusto Pinochet, Josef Stalin and Kim Jong Il and if one of them scores against the Canucks you take it.
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So I guess the next question is, how big does this go? For me it's the old onion adage. The deeper you get, the more it stinks. I think there is still a lot of police work going on behind the scenes and I think we find out this guy is a huge crook. One of the guys in the picture with him is dead, and the other is in jail. We know he's been trying to get the tape back, we know he's been making deliveries and having late night meetings. And he's always been rumored to be consorting with, and involved with, criminals.
We know crime mixes with politics on occasion. Probably more than we'd care to admit. With all the mayors and politicians getting nabbed in Quebec, why wouldn't Ford be involved in something too? (Not necessarily the same thing, but in some sort of illegal activity) And even if he isn't involved, which, at this point would surprise me, you gotta think he's been compromised somehow. If criminals have tapes you doing drugs and are extorting you, they're gonna have control over you and your decisions.
How all his supporters are not asking this totally amazes me. Sometimes partisan politics gets so nasty it really truly blinds you to your side. It's sad.
It was brought up on the radio a while back that the police assigned their best investigator (Detective Sergeant Gary Giroux) to the Sandro Lisi case. It was pointed out that Giroux has worked exclusively on homicide cases for quite a while, and it was really strange that he was assigned to a marijuana trafficing case (now expanded to extortion).
I don't want to jump to conclusions, but I feel pretty certain that the police are exploring this pretty deeply. Whether there is more there, I don't know, but nothing would surprise me at this point.
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I think 2015 construction if I'm not mistaken. I'll double check. Glenmore/Ogden should start in 2014. Bowfort/TransCanada is also funded, but will depend on timing of some of the adjacent development.
That would be awesome. I haven't heard anything about it (not that you wouldn't know more/better than me!), and a google search told me nothing.
I agree. I'm 99% certain there is something more. Just how involved Ford is will be the interesting thing. Maybe he really is just an innocent bystander that got in over his head. But it seems more and more likely, he knows something, and may be involved somehow.
Have people been killed for him? Did he know anything about it, or were his 'friends' acting on his behalf without his knowledge. Or did those killed and injured just get involved in occupational hazards?
We know for sure he's been trying to cover this up to some extent. Just how far did he go to do that? A victim of extortion, or did he take matters into his own hands. Just exactly who was trying to extort him anyway? Was it Lisi, or was he 'helping' the mayor.
The police are asking for an interview. He's declining thus far. They might arrest him for it in a week or a month. If I had to bet on it or against it, I would bet on it. Even if he is guilty of nothing, you know he knows something. They got him on tape making deliveries. You know there's going to be more to that.
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From a cost benefit point of view this is probably right. I think it would be hard pressed to show that cycling infastructure is a cost effective. Its a catch 22 though as if you don't have the infastructure you will never build up a rider base.
Does anyone know if in Holland if cycling infastructure is competive with cars in terms of cost per person mile?
Your opinion is categorically false.
One mile of highway cost as much as Portland's entire cycling network.
Basically cycling is the cheapest transportation infrastructure to invest in for all transport users.
Search for Todd Litman who's written multiple reports on this topic.
Gilbert Gottfried@RealGilbert1mToronto Mayor Rob Ford said he tried crack while in a "drunken stupor." In all fairness, he only drinks when he's on acid.
The "in a drunken stupor" line is an all-time best. So he'll live on for decades thanks to that at least.
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How much of an irony is it that Ford is the one mayor Toronto has had in the last three decades or so where you didn't wonder what the hell they were smokin' and he is the only one that apparently was smokin'?
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I agree. I'm 99% certain there is something more. Just how involved Ford is will be the interesting thing. Maybe he really is just an innocent bystander that got in over his head. But it seems more and more likely, he knows something, and may be involved somehow.
Have people been killed for him? Did he know anything about it, or were his 'friends' acting on his behalf without his knowledge. Or did those killed and injured just get involved in occupational hazards?
We know for sure he's been trying to cover this up to some extent. Just how far did he go to do that? A victim of extortion, or did he take matters into his own hands. Just exactly who was trying to extort him anyway? Was it Lisi, or was he 'helping' the mayor.
The police are asking for an interview. He's declining thus far. They might arrest him for it in a week or a month. If I had to bet on it or against it, I would bet on it. Even if he is guilty of nothing, you know he knows something. They got him on tape making deliveries. You know there's going to be more to that.
It might be just a coincidence, but Ford being pictured with those two guys who ended up shot (one fatally) shortly after, doesn't sound like a coincidence to me - the chances are too remote.
Like I said, Ford was getting all apologize-y over cmoking crack, but if Ford's version of the story is true, does anyone really care? If it honestly was only once, who cares?
The much bigger issue is hanging out with those types of people, sneakily exchanging money, etc. That's not too mention Ford just casually talking about "drunken stupors" which are supposedly OK in his mind.
Does anyone really think that it's ok for the mayor to get really drunk (apparently often), hang out with drug dealers, and doing secret exchanges, etc?
It's not 99% certain there is more to the story, we can already see that there is much more to the story - it's 100% certain.
Like I said, Ford was getting all apologize-y over cmoking crack, but if Ford's version of the story is true, does anyone really care? If it honestly was only once, who cares?
I'd care if I were a citizen of Toronto, especially given Ford's own rationale for his behaviour. Using hard drugs like crack or meth or heroin shows incredibly poor judgement from someone holding an elected office. "But I was really drunk at the time," is not a valid excuse; it only makes me wonder what other poor decisions he's made while in a drunken stupor.
I'd care if I were a citizen of Toronto, especially given Ford's own rationale for his behaviour. Using hard drugs like crack or meth or heroin shows incredibly poor judgement from someone holding an elected office. "But I was really drunk at the time," is not a valid excuse; it only makes me wonder what other poor decisions he's made while in a drunken stupor.
Not to mention how putting himself in these positions opens himself up to blackmail and extortion. The guy controls $10 billion and the police budget. Smoking crack with drug dealers even once for the leader of one the nation's largest governments, is once too many.
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Way to late for an acknowledgment or apology from Ford because he lied and denied it and tried to cover it up right now. the sad thing is how much its going to cost the city of Toronto to get him out of city hall.
It might be just a coincidence, but Ford being pictured with those two guys who ended up shot (one fatally) shortly after, doesn't sound like a coincidence to me - the chances are too remote.
Like I said, Ford was getting all apologize-y over cmoking crack, but if Ford's version of the story is true, does anyone really care? If it honestly was only once, who cares?
The much bigger issue is hanging out with those types of people, sneakily exchanging money, etc. That's not too mention Ford just casually talking about "drunken stupors" which are supposedly OK in his mind.
Does anyone really think that it's ok for the mayor to get really drunk (apparently often), hang out with drug dealers, and doing secret exchanges, etc?
It's not 99% certain there is more to the story, we can already see that there is much more to the story - it's 100% certain.
Well exactly, there's just so many levels to it. He's already been caught behaving strangely while inebriated, and now he's using it to explain away other even worse behavior. His drinking, and the fact that he's actually been quietly ushered away from city hall while overly drunk, really should be reason number one he should not be in office. If he was taking time off, and getting clean, then maybe yeah, he could come back. But at the very least he should not be in office right now even for this one thing, cause it's obviously affecting his life and work.
You don't even need to bring up the crack, or the even more serious concerns of how involved he is with these criminals AND how involved he is with their recent misfortunes, but that just gives one even more reasons.
As far as your question, 'does anyone really think it's acceptable for the mayor to... etc.' is obviously yes though unfortunately. Ford nation still loves him. :/ And I think it's US style partisan thinking that's at play here, nothing more. The enemy of my enemy is my friend. You read it all over the internet right now. "Yes he's a buffoon and he gets drunk, but he drives those inner city liberals crazy and I love him for it." (not an actual quote, but very close, and the sentiment is relayed correct)
These people are going to get what they deserve, and if (And I'd say the odds are close to 50/50 now) Ford ever gets hauled away in cuffs, I hope they finally release just how stupid they look, and that they have actually done harm to Toronto with their stubborness and ego.
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MarchHare kinda hits on it, but isn't that the bigger problem here? Ford's decision making? When you hear him admit to smoking crack, he almost brushes off "one of his drunken stupors" as something that happens regularly with him (and based on the stories we see, not a stretch). As if somehow getting so lit up you can consider hitting the rock is acceptable? Its also another one of those situations where the first time he does it happens to be the first (and only) time he gets caught doing it? Again very hard to believe. Which sums up Rob Ford: very difficult to believe anything he says, horribly untrustworthy.
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Also, I don't believe for a second that this was a one time event for Ford. It reminds about a story a friend told me about a friend of his who walked in on his wife having sex with another guy. She pleaded that it was the first and only time it happened. The only problem with the story was that they were doing it reverse-piledriver style. No one does reverse-piledriver their first time.
I don't buy that Rob Ford's first crack experience was with gang members. That is a little extreme to just be something he stumbled into.
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There's an article on reddit and VICE that is saying Rob Ford's communications director hired a hacker to get the video from a cloud storage website. Can't link as both are blocked at work.
