[News] Flames scratch Sven...again

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Nasty

Im not too concerned ! Stamkos got benched many times in his first season and look at him now. As long as they are benching him for the purpose of watching, analyzing, and learning then Im not concerned at all.

...By Barry Melrose, who was soon fired by the organization, which also corrispondingly started the rise of Stamkos.

The only thing Melrose did was delay Stamkos' development.

[Righteous1]

Stamkos put on 20lbs of muscle too in one summer. Either Gary Roberts is the best trainer in the world or he's got some solid sources.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

...By Barry Melrose, who was soon fired by the organization, which also corrispondingly started the rise of Stamkos.

The only thing Melrose did was delay Stamkos' development.

I don't necissarily dissagree, but pretty much impossible to make that declaration with any sort of certainty.

[StrykerSteve]

Sigh.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by getbak

It's also possible that the coaches want him to watch Niederreiter, who has been off to a strong start this season for the Wild. They have been compared to each other a lot over the years: both Swiss; both came over to play in Portland; a year apart in the draft, but less than a month apart in age. This year, they're both playing in a similar situation as a left winger playing on a line with a good young centre (Granlund) and a veteran right winger (Pominville) who leads the team in scoring.

Going into the game, Niederreiter has 9 points in 15 games, and has taken 36 shots. Sven has 5 points in 13 games, and has only taken 14 shots. So, it might just be as simple as telling Sven to watch his buddy and see what he's doing right.

Niederriter is 6-2 210... He leads the Wild in hits with 35.

Other than their nationality and junior teams there is no comparison.

Grandlund is more of a comparison for Sven to watch as they both are smaller players who other teams will push off the puck and try to knock around.

[Stay Golden]

Put me in the I don't get or agree with this decision column. I thought the Flames were fully committed to a rebuild. Which usually means playing the prospects.
The first time they scratched Sven ok they wanted to shake the branches but I don't see any positive reason behind this.

[Igster]

Originally Posted by StrykerSteve

Sigh.

Quoted for truth...sigh indeed.

[Miniac]

Roger Millions ‏@RogMillions
Hard to believe..but if lines are any indication. Baertschi appears out again! Bouma back in. I'm a little confused.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Put me in the I don't get or agree with this decision column. I thought the Flames were fully committed to a rebuild. Which usually means playing the prospects.
The first time they scratched Sven ok they wanted to shake the branches but I don't see any positive reason behind this.

Me either. It really seems like the Flames are falling into the old trap of killing our offensive prospects creativity and dressing old vets who do nothing to help us win.

[bluloc]

Meh a game isn't going to hurt im fine with this.Just Hartleys way of saying we expect more. Not like he's been lighting it up. He's been pretty bellow average lately.

[Miniac]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Issue is we have too many top 9 players.

Colborne, Backlund, Baerstchi, and Monahan are battling for three top 9 spots effectively.

As of right now Colborne and Monahan are playing the best so they have been staying in the lineup, while Baertschi and Backlund are left to battle it out for that last spot.

Its time to trade some vets to let the youth play.

[TheDebaser]

Originally Posted by northcrunk

Me either. It really seems like the Flames are falling into the old trap of killing our offensive prospects creativity and dressing old vets who do nothing to help us win.

How can you think this? We subbed in Bouma for Sven. Bouma is actually less experienced than Sven.

Hartley is clearly just trying to help Sven develop his game a bit better. I don't really get why everyone is ####ting their pants over this.

[868904]

Originally Posted by TheDebaser

How can you think this? We subbed in Bouma for Sven. Bouma is actually less experienced than Sven.

Hartley is clearly just trying to help Sven develop his game a bit better. I don't really get why everyone is ####ting their pants over this.

Because it is quite clear that the Flames coaching staff and management have no idea what they are doing. Clearly, they should be following the blueprint up north in Edmonton where the young players are fed ice time no matter how poor they play and compete in the defensive zone. That is how you build something special.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Miniac

Its time to trade some vets to let the youth play.

Actually not sure it's the case. Think using the word "issue" was the wrong choice of words. The situation that we have is we have too many forwards for top 9 spots.

It's time for the youth to force the vets out and earn their spot. Handing youth the keys to the car with out earning it only leads to the issues they have up north.

[northcrunk]

Originally Posted by 868904

Because it is quite clear that the Flames coaching staff and management have no idea what they are doing. Clearly, they should be following the blueprint up north in Edmonton where the young players are fed ice time no matter how poor they play and compete in the defensive zone. That is how you build something special.

Nobody in their right mind thinks what they are doing in Edmonton is right, but why are we keeping Jackman in the line up while we sit our young players. Really what has Jackman done this year to prove he even belongs in the NHL. He had a good season 2 years ago, move on, he is done as an effective player. He doesn't even drop the gloves anymore so what does he do that McGrats doesn't?

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Lemeuix in Colorado.?????

You are actually comparing Jackman and/or McGrattan to Claude Lemieux?


4 time Stanley cup winner and Conn Smythe winner in 1995. The guy that scored 80 goals in the playoffs?


If Hartley had a choice between Claude Lemiuex under the age of 35 and Baertschi, Baertschi would not dress for another game this year.

Are you saying that he wasn't a cheap shot artist? He might have been one of the dirtiest players in NHL history.

Hartley loves those kind of people.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by Stay Golden

Put me in the I don't get or agree with this decision column. I thought the Flames were fully committed to a rebuild. Which usually means playing the prospects.
The first time they scratched Sven ok they wanted to shake the branches but I don't see any positive reason behind this.

While I'm also confused as to why he's sitting, the premise that re-build = playing youth as much as possible is the consistent mistake that people keep making.

Re-build = making development of young players a priority. Doing whatever is the best for improving the young players game and prioritising that over on ice results is what a re-build team does. Whether they are handling Sven right or wrong, I don't know, but I think it's safe to say the Flames are better with Sven in the line up than substituting him with Jackman or whoever. So as weird as it seems, the fact that the Flames are willing to sit Sven and give him some "learning time" versus trying to ice there best roster shows that they are indeed commited to the re-build.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by CaramonLS

Are you saying that he wasn't a cheap shot artist? He might have been one of the dirtiest players in NHL history.

Hartley loves those kind of people.

There would not be a coach in the league that wouldn't want him in their line-up.

The HOF is full of "dirty" players.

There is huge difference between dressing goons like McGrattan and Jackman and guys with huge talent that play with an edge.

I imagine that Hartley would also love to have Iginla, Bobby Clarke, Wendell Clark, Cashman, Scott Stevens, Kevin Hatcher, Mark Messier, Dustin Brown, Bob Probert, Owen Nolan and Chris Simon in their line-up.

Their are no NHL coaches that wouldn't want any one or all of these guys on their team.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

While I'm also confused as to why he's sitting, the premise that re-build = playing youth as much as possible is the consistent mistake that people keep making.

Re-build = making development of young players a priority. Doing whatever is the best for improving the young players game and prioritising that over on ice results is what a re-build team does. Whether they are handling Sven right or wrong, I don't know, but I think it's safe to say the Flames are better with Sven in the line up than substituting him with Jackman or whoever. So as weird as it seems, the fact that the Flames are willing to sit Sven and give him some "learning time" versus trying to ice there best roster shows that they are indeed commited to the re-build.

Showing commitment to winning EVERY game sets the stage for a successful dressing room. If losses become Ok at any point, I think that subconscious desire to win dwindles.

I don't feel scratching Baertschi is the right decision, but playing him just for the sake of playing youth is asinine

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There would not be a coach in the league that wouldn't want him in their line-up.

The HOF is full of "dirty" players.

There is huge difference between dressing goons like McGrattan and Jackman and guys with huge talent that play with an edge.

I imagine that Hartley would also love to have Iginla, Bobby Clarke, Wendell Clark, Cashman, Scott Stevens, Kevin Hatcher, Mark Messier, Dustin Brown, Bob Probert, Owen Nolan and Chris Simon in their line-up.

Their are no NHL coaches that wouldn't want any one or all of these guys on their team.

I'm not even sure what the point that you are trying to make is?

Hartley likes dirty players. That is mine. Not sure what yours is.