We better be on the phones with Anaheim...

[flamesfan1297]

Originally Posted by getbak

Feaster better hang up that phone.

agreed, we do not need a goalie after Berra amazing performance tonight. The guys all had a good game. That is the flames i eenjoy to watch. What an exciting game

[moon]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'm not the one with the agenda. You're the one who does nothing but crap all over anything the Flames do, even when the experts say great things about the team, and attempt to further the agenda the Flames are horrible at every turn. You marginalize every one of their players and prospects. That is your agenda and you hate it when you get called out on it.

For example, you had to use six drafts to develop your false equivalency, almost twice as many as I used. That actually proves my point. You had to use six draft years to come up with what you claimed to be an equivalent number of prospects. So lets really compare.

Moon's list: Phaneuf (2003), Irving (2006), Boyd (2004), Nemiesz (2008), Backlund (2007)

New Era's list: Reinhart (2010), Ramage (2010), Arnold (2010), Ferland (2010), Agostino (2010), Baertschi (2011), Granlund (2011), Wotherspoon, (2011), Gaudreau (2011), Brossoit (2011), Jankowski (2012), Sieloff (2012), Gillies (2012)

Add in 2013 with Monahan, Poirior, and Klimchuk.

Yeah, that's pretty well the same thing. Who has an agenda again?

I do not crap on everything the Flames do but you have shown that you don't care about the truth and just shape things to suit your needs.

The reason I went to 6 drafts is I don't have the luxury of including never weres like many of the guys on your list likely will be. If we want to include guys that looked good for awhile but never were anything then the list obviously gets a lot bigger.

Also why are Ferland, Reinhart, Ramage and Arnold included in your list when they were drafted before the current guys got there?

[Red Ice Player]

Moon, the most annoying thing about your posting is that your default position on pretty much any prospect is negative. You seem incapable of optimism. Being negative is just easier, and usually correct more often than not because statistically, most prospects, in any organization, don't become NHL regulars, let alone elite players. Its a smug, lazy position to take but you can comfort yourself because its usually right. I prefer to be optimistic because I don't give a crap if I'm wrong, as I'm just a fan and can therefore take more pleasure from watching my team work hard and entertain me. That doesn't appear to be possible in your world....

[moon]

Lol

Smug, lazy position?

If you say so.

I have been very optimistic about Monahan guess I should have just taken the lazy approach there. I really like the Klimchuk pick as well, damn no smugness to throw around with that kid.

[Red Ice Player]

Originally Posted by moon

Lol

Smug, lazy position?

If you say so.

I have been very optimistic about Monahan guess I should have just taken the lazy approach there. I really like the Klimchuk pick as well, damn no smugness to throw around with that kid.

How courageous of you. Monahan is our highest drafted player since 1998, comes from what is considered a very strong draft class, and has been touted by pretty much all scouts as a sure fire NHLer. Brilliant. I stand corrected...

[strombad]

I probably haven't been here long enough to know, but moon being negative and then denying that he's always negative seems like classic moon. Can anyone confirm?

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

I probably haven't been here long enough to know, but moon being negative and then denying that he's always negative seems like classic moon. Can anyone confirm?

Not really but posters making blanket statements about me and me correcting them has occurred.

Not sure what any of this has to do with the topic though.

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by strombad

I probably haven't been here long enough to know, but moon being negative and then denying that he's always negative seems like classic moon. Can anyone confirm?

800 posts since Aug.2013? Something tells me you've been around for quite some time.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Yoho

800 posts since Aug.2013? Something tells me you've been around for quite some time.

Considering the difference between he and I is about 11 years, I'm sticking with my phrasing. Plus, I wasted most of those posts with responses like this

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by strombad

Considering the difference between he and I is about 11 years, I'm sticking with my phrasing. Plus, I wasted most of those posts with responses like this

Sorry to "be that guy", but it's "him and me"

[Dion]

Hold the phones! I think we may have found our goaltender in Berra.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by moon

I do not crap on everything the Flames do

9 times out of 10. When someone says a thread has been "Mooned"and everyone knows what that means then you might have a reputation. You usually have decent arguments and an informed opinion but the negativity is stifling.

[lifetimefan]

A rookie replacement goalie has one good game and some of you are already planning the cup parade.

If he keeps a SV% above .900 for 15 games, I'll be more comfortable calling Berra the starter for the Flames. Until then, it's all just hype.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

A rookie replacement goalie has one good game and some of you are already planning the cup parade.

If he keeps a SV% above .900 for 15 games, I'll be more comfortable calling Berra the starter for the Flames. Until then, it's all just hype.

MacDonald had issues with rebound control and positioning, consistently. Far in to his career, he remains a backup at best.

Berta's debut is a small sample size, granted, but given the obvious controversy, did not elicit those concerns. And against the defending Champs.

Let CP savour this. It has been years since a goalie named Kipper has shown promise prior to establishing big question marks

That was a far above average performance

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

A rookie replacement goalie has one good game and some of you are already planning the cup parade.

If he keeps a SV% above .900 for 15 games, I'll be more comfortable calling Berra the starter for the Flames. Until then, it's all just hype.

Can you quote people "planning the parade." Or are you just talking out your ass?

And he's a little more then a replacement goalie. It's not like the Flames lost their goalie and went, oh crap, we need a goalie. He was part of the team from the start, and he was going to get called up, and get some starts this year... just happened to be this Sunday.

People are happy with the performance of their rookie goalie, which not one person has ever heard of until the JayBo trade, against the defending stanley cup champs... It was impressive. People are impressed, and excited. Happy their team won. Not everyone cheers for loses. Fact is, I'm sure most people actually do enjoy seeing their team win. I enjoy seeing the Flames win.

And it's not so much what he did to me, but how he did it. Pucks were getting kicked to the corners. He was strong positionally, and used his big frame effectively. His lateral movement was great. He lost the puck on the 2 goals but with more experience he'll start finding those pucks through screens. It wasn't an adventure in the defensive end everytime Chicago shot the puck. And not only that, Berra is really good at handling the puck, he blocks passes, etc. He's not a passive goaltender.

He may not be that top 10 goalie yet, but he has all the tools to do it if he wants it.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

People are happy with the performance of their rookie goalie, which not one person has ever heard of until the JayBo trade, against the defending stanley cup champs...

There was one.

About a month prior to the jay-bo trade, I said on an episode of the podcast that the Flames should acquire him specifically because I thought he might have untapped potential like the other Euro based goalies that have been successful like Hiller or Backstrom.

/patting self on back

I wasn't completely taken by surprise by his performance last night. What I've watched of him prior, he is quite sound fundamentally with not a lot of wasted movement in his game and he gives a good second effort on second/third shots. He still needs to work on a lot of little things, but there isn't anything structurally in his game that limits his abilities like Ramo.

If he continues on with learning the North American game and continues to improve his angles (He should've had the Hossa goal if he knew his positioning and where the Flames defender was in relation to the goal) then he could be an average/below average nhl starter.

[TjRhythmic]

Originally Posted by Caged Great

There was one.

About a month prior to the jay-bo trade, I said on an episode of the podcast that the Flames should acquire him specifically because I thought he might have untapped potential like the other Euro based goalies that have been successful like Hiller or Backstrom.

/patting self on back

I wasn't completely taken by surprise by his performance last night. What I've watched of him prior, he is quite sound fundamentally with not a lot of wasted movement in his game and he gives a good second effort on second/third shots. He still needs to work on a lot of little things, but there isn't anything structurally in his game that limits his abilities like Ramo.

If he continues on with learning the North American game and continues to improve his angles (He should've had the Hossa goal if he knew his positioning and where the Flames defender was in relation to the goal) then he could be an average/below average nhl starter.

I stand corrected. Good call dood

I like him. Was actually talking to my friend during the game and like you said, he just read the play wrong on Hossa's goal. Russell had the far side blocked, and it seemed Berra kind of played the strong side. Left hand shot, right side, play the middle of the net. Again, I liked how quiet he was. Quiet feet. Aggressive. I'm optimistic about him.

Question. Did you see him play in the Swiss leagues?

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by moon

Also why are Ferland, Reinhart, Ramage and Arnold included in your list when they were drafted before the current guys got there?

Because, as I stated in my first post in this thread, the Flames made a philosophical and organizational chance in 2009 which is when I believe the rebuild actually began. Some will point to it beginning when they made the conscious decision to move Iginla, but I think it began when they really focused on the re-tool and made changes in the drafting philosophy. If you wish to take away the 2010 draft class that is fine by me. It still doesn't change the theory or you and your agenda.

[Caged Great]

Originally Posted by TjRhythmic

I stand corrected. Good call dood

I like him. Was actually talking to my friend during the game and like you said, he just read the play wrong on Hossa's goal. Russell had the far side blocked, and it seemed Berra kind of played the strong side. Left hand shot, right side, play the middle of the net. Again, I liked how quiet he was. Quiet feet. Aggressive. I'm optimistic about him.

Question. Did you see him play in the Swiss leagues?

There was a highlight package that showed him making a few nice saves. It was the manner that he made the saves that struck me as being odd (In a good way). You can see how a goalie reacts to a shot, and be able to tell if they have a good glove or a weak blocker etc. He just looked composed with a good secondary effort in the highlight package. It struck me because you don't see that from overtly bad goalies.

Usually, bad goalies have a structural weakness like Ramo in that he over commits with his movements. It's very difficult for a goalie with that kind of problem to overcome it with any consistency. So seeing a goalie that didn't have that type of limitation made me curious even though his stats left a lot to be desired in the swiss league.

With goalies like Berra, there is no guarantee that they will become anything more than someone that has potential, but it's always better to try someone like that out instead of someone with weaknesses built in. They are more likely to jump out of nowhere and become something.

I figured he be a free agent type signing though, I didn't know the Blues had his right at the time.

[bluloc]

Originally Posted by lifetimefan

A rookie replacement goalie has one good game and some of you are already planning the cup parade.

If he keeps a SV% above .900 for 15 games, I'll be more comfortable calling Berra the starter for the Flames. Until then, it's all just hype.

I shake my head at some of the peeps on here. Berra was a nice surprise last night indeed but let's see how it goes after 20 games. Give the players a lot of credit for keeping everything outside the perimeter and clearing loose pucks quickly. That was the best our team has played all season in our half of the ice.