[PGT] Red Wings 4 Flames 3

[bzoo02]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Backlund need to switch to wing.

I was thinking about this last night. With Colborne's new found consistentcey, why not try Backlund on the wing. Nothing against Galliardi but I think backs is a bit bigger an smarter with the puck, this might translate to success on the wing.

Worth a try anyway.

[Hockeyboi]

Originally Posted by theinfinitejar

Hartley sucks, MacDonald sucks.

In what way does Hartley suck?? The Flames have been playing well and with the exception on the Sharks game have outplayed their opponents. Maybe if we had better goaltending we might have a hope. The Leafs are playing well and were num1 in the East when they played on wed night and the Flames outshot and outplayed them, if Ramo hadn't let in a couple of soft goals things might have been different, the same can be said about the performance last night against the Redwings. Also let's not forget that it was under Hartley last season that the Flames were 3 for 3 against the Redwings!.. I hope Hartley keeps them playing the way they are playing.

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboi

In what way does Hartley suck?? The Flames have been playing well and with the exception on the Sharks game have outplayed their opponents. Maybe if we had better goaltending we might have a hope. The Leafs are playing well and were num1 in the East when they played on wed night and the Flames outshot and outplayed them, if Ramo hadn't let in a couple of soft goals things might have been different, the same can be said about the performance last night against the Redwings. Also let's not forget that it was under Hartley last season that the Flames were 3 for 3 against the Redwings!.. I hope Hartley keeps them playing the way they are playing.

It was under Hartley that the team was 6th worst in the league last year and 2nd last in the Western Conference this year.

For the draft pick I hope he keeps them playing the way they are but in terms of winning games or developing I hope he somehow gets them to play a lot better.

[Poe969]

Hartley is an old coach in a new game. His ways have worked in the past but as time has gone one, he's become less affective, he relys too much on his vets and does dumb things to younger players to teach them a lesson and make examples. I agree with moon that they should keep him all year for the draft pick but when they want to actually win games they need to get someone else.

[Hockeyboi]

Originally Posted by moon

It was under Hartley that the team was 6th worst in the league last year and 2nd last in the Western Conference this year.

For the draft pick I hope he keeps them playing the way they are but in terms of winning games or developing I hope he somehow gets them to play a lot better.

But give the guy time, it's his 1st real season in charge, bar the Shark game there has been no team that has really outplayed us and instead of being a bottom basement team we are just below mid table in the league. The only disappointment I have is with are goaltending as there have been a few soft goals given but in general I'm very happy with the style of hockey that is being played. At least I can sit down and watch a game with a lot of hope now unlike other seasons!

[moon]

Originally Posted by Hockeyboi

But give the guy time, it's his 1st real season in charge, bar the Shark game there has been no team that has really outplayed us and instead of being a bottom basement team we are just below mid table in the league. The only disappointment I have is with are goaltending as there have been a few soft goals given but in general I'm very happy with the style of hockey that is being played. At least I can sit down and watch a game with a lot of hope now unlike other seasons!

Last year was a real year in charge despite how many times Harltey apologists try to make it out like it wasn't. It was a short season yes but they didn't change the rules, handcuff the Flames or make Hartley coach the team from Switzerland.

The Flames are a mid-table team now only because of it being early on and the East having so many bad teams. Once they start playing each other the Flames will drop down to the bottom of the league just like they are at the bottom of the Western Conference.

The Flames have been outplayed in a majority of their games this year and are further away from the play-offs than any other season in the past 20 years.

I guess for you you can have hope but my guess that is much more on your optimism than anything that Hartley has done as a coach because so far based on results and play on the ice there is little hope to get from him.

[Hockeyboi]

Originally Posted by moon

Last year was a real year in charge despite how many times Harltey apologists try to make it out like it wasn't. It was a short season yes but they didn't change the rules, handcuff the Flames or make Hartley coach the team from Switzerland.

The Flames are a mid-table team now only because of it being early on and the East having so many bad teams. Once they start playing each other the Flames will drop down to the bottom of the league just like they are at the bottom of the Western Conference.

The Flames have been outplayed in a majority of their games this year and are further away from the play-offs than any other season in the past 20 years.

I guess for you you can have hope but my guess that is much more on your optimism than anything that Hartley has done as a coach because so far based on results and play on the ice there is little hope to get from him.

I don't count last season a real season for Hartley as it was a shortened season and he was just getting a feel of the players and the system in Calgary. Now if your right and we are at the bottom of the league and are playing badly and miss the playoffs by a mile then yeah be my guest and criticise the ugh all you want. I am feeling optimistic because they have playing good and you can only judge a team on their last game. Just think it's way to early to start taking shots at Hartley.

[Poe969]

LOL. Last year wasn't a real season..... The cup didn't count, and anything bad didn't count but good things counted, that's it.

Hartley showed last year that he was a bad coach, this year he made the team work hard at camp and the team really came together at the start of the season. Now that the other teams have come together too, we look bad by comparisson. Hartley has made bad decisions by benching players and by putting certain players together. He leans on his vets (I don't care what anyone says, he doesn't "punish" the vets in any way like he does the younger players). The Flames aren't a good team but he is making them worse with his bad decisions. He did this last year and he'll do the same this year.

[AC]

GIFs from last game:

[strombad]

Originally Posted by Poe969

LOL. Last year wasn't a real season..... The cup didn't count, and anything bad didn't count but good things counted, that's it.

Hartley showed last year that he was a bad coach, this year he made the team work hard at camp and the team really came together at the start of the season. Now that the other teams have come together too, we look bad by comparisson. Hartley has made bad decisions by benching players and by putting certain players together. He leans on his vets (I don't care what anyone says, he doesn't "punish" the vets in any way like he does the younger players). The Flames aren't a good team but he is making them worse with his bad decisions. He did this last year and he'll do the same this year.

Out of curiosity, how would you better coach this team? I assume you have a better plan, considering Hartley isn't making as good of decisions as you would?

Or, conversely, what NHL coach is doing better with an equally poor team?

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by AC

GIFs from last game:

Haha. Go home AC you are drunk

[AC]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Haha. Go home AC you are drunk

Well I meant the previous game, last night's game GIFs will come later today. Seems easier to post them here than dig up the previous PGT.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by AC

Well I meant the previous game, last night's game GIFs will come later today. Seems easier to post them here than dig up the previous PGT.

I am eagerly awaiting the Monahan Money Shot.

[moon]

Originally Posted by strombad

Out of curiosity, how would you better coach this team? I assume you have a better plan, considering Hartley isn't making as good of decisions as you would?

I would encourage or at least ask the team to play defense and try to cover everyone in the defensive zone. He may be doing this but watching the Flames on the ice the past two seasons hard to imagine he is working on it considering the amount of times guys are left wide open.

Or, conversely, what NHL coach is doing better with an equally poor team?

Hard to say because so few teams have equally poor roster so basically you can only compare to about 5 other guys at best. But Barry Trotz comes to mind right off the bat.

[strombad]

Originally Posted by moon

I would encourage or at least ask the team to play defense and try to cover everyone in the defensive zone. He may be doing this but watching the Flames on the ice the past two seasons hard to imagine he is working on it considering the amount of times guys are left wide open.



Hard to say because so few teams have equally poor roster so basically you can only compare to about 5 other guys at best. But Barry Trotz comes to mind right off the bat.

I would agree with Trotz. Their offence is nearly as bad as our defense. But at the same time, if you look at it, he's got an all-star goalie and one of the better defensive lineups in the NHL. Sure, it's incredible that they can score most nights, but isn't that kind of the very same/opposite of the Flames? We can score, it's not an issue, but some combination of a poor back end and coaching decisions makes it hard to keep the puck out.

Two teams with an equal amount of problems IMO, just different sides of the same coin.

[PeteMoss]

Nashville did finish behind the Flames last year and now that they've lost their goalie for a while I doubt they'll do any better than the Flames with equally horrible goaltending (two losses already).

[JobHopper]

Tough loss but I though overall the effort was there. Not enough shooting and to much passing in the high slot there in the beginning. PP needs to be cleaned up a bit.

And Mikael Backlund, who's struggling, hands the puck off like a hot potato instead of shooting it on the 2-1. Why not just wind up and shoot from there?

I must say Joe Colborne has improved a lot since coming on to the Flames team. I though that was a good matchup with Cammallari last night.

Good game by TJ Brodie as well, to bad he gave the puck up there that ended up in our net.

I'm pretty happy with the team, Add a couple more stronger forwards, a Dman and a goalie and it's quite possible the Flames will make the playoffs.

[868904]

Originally Posted by bzoo02

I was thinking about this last night. With Colborne's new found consistentcey, why not try Backlund on the wing. Nothing against Galliardi but I think backs is a bit bigger an smarter with the puck, this might translate to success on the wing.

Worth a try anyway.

The wing is actually where Backlund has produced offensively at any pro level.

So it's actually a really good idea, but the question is, which winger do you take out? Move Galiardi down to centre the Bouma / McGrattan line probably makes the most sense as he can play some centre.

[868904]

Originally Posted by moon

I would encourage or at least ask the team to play defense and try to cover everyone in the defensive zone. He may be doing this but watching the Flames on the ice the past two seasons hard to imagine he is working on it considering the amount of times guys are left wide open.



Hard to say because so few teams have equally poor roster so basically you can only compare to about 5 other guys at best. But Barry Trotz comes to mind right off the bat.

I think they've actually been much better in their effort to come back, but yea the coverage still sucks. That's going to happen when you have younger players (Monahan, Sven, Colborne, Bouma) and also remnants of the country club still around with old habits to break.

At least Hartley has them coming back this year, which is a major improvement from last year.

Baby steps.

[MisterJoji]

Originally Posted by moon

Last year was a real year in charge despite how many times Harltey apologists try to make it out like it wasn't. It was a short season yes but they didn't change the rules, handcuff the Flames or make Hartley coach the team from Switzerland.

The Flames are a mid-table team now only because of it being early on and the East having so many bad teams. Once they start playing each other the Flames will drop down to the bottom of the league just like they are at the bottom of the Western Conference.

The Flames have been outplayed in a majority of their games this year and are further away from the play-offs than any other season in the past 20 years.

I guess for you you can have hope but my guess that is much more on your optimism than anything that Hartley has done as a coach because so far based on results and play on the ice there is little hope to get from him.

What are you talking about? Aside from the games in Dallas and San Jose we've outplayed, outshot and out chanced almost every night. This team on paper should be in Edmonton territory and the fact that although the losses are starting to pile up, we've been competitive in almost every game. If we had even better than average goaltending we'd have 3 or 4 more wins. Aside from some debatable line up/scratches, Hartley's doing fine.