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Cali Panthers Fan · 11-01-2013, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Did you think Savard had 97 point potential in 2003? St. Louis with Art Ross potential?

Well, obviously the Flames didn't.

I don't think you even read my post. Those guys are LOOOOONNNGGGG gone and Feaster and Hartley have nothing to do with them. Let. It. Go.

transplant99 · 11-01-2013, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

I knew enough that what we got in return for Savard was as bad as it gets.

Not the question...and nothing to do with your claim.

Besides...what do you do with a guy who publically asks for a trade out of town...twice?

Ashasx · 11-01-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by J-bo09

Hartley has gotten more out of less in my opinion

I hated Brent Sutter for the team we had from 2010-2012, but finishing 25th last year might say otherwise.

I actually think that perhaps Hartley is more adept for getting a win at the NHL level, but he's a detriment to a rebuilding team that needs to develop its young talent if it ever wants to find success.

nik- · 11-01-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by J-bo09

Hartley has gotten more out of less in my opinion

Oh totally, if you just pretend that last year didn't even happen. He's not a good coach, but I was ok with him being here because he's positive. However, if this BS faux meritocracy crap keeps happening, then I don't even think he has that going for him.

Frank MetaMusil · 11-01-2013, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Hartley is more positive, but he's not a better coach.

Yeah, I figured someone might post this as well. I'm just happy they aren't getting shut out at home every other game.

Ashasx · 11-01-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by transplant99

Not the question...and nothing to do with your claim.

Besides...what do you do with a guy who publically asks for a trade out of town...twice?

Can't blame Savard at all. He proved that he was not the problem. The coach was fired at the end of the season anyway!

I wouldn't blame Backlund at all if he asked for a trade. This is his career.

moon · 11-01-2013, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

Lol Colborne isn't part of the future. He's Burke affirming a past decision and Hartley jamming it down our throats. At least in the past few games he's earned some of the minutes, because for the most part he's been nothing at all.

The lengths people will go to make up crazy conspiracy theories are hilarious sometimes.

Do you really think that Burke is going to put his hockey reputation on the line in likely one of, if not the, last hockey jobs he gets so he can put Colborne on the ice in some sort of BS affirming decision?

You really think that Burke is so short sighted/selfish that he thinks playing Colborne a ton will do more for his reputation than icing quality players and turning the Flames around?

I am not sure why people have to look so hard and make up crazy stories when the truth, the Flames are weak at center so it is easy to move up the depth chart and get a ton of minutes, is so much more likely.

timbit · 11-01-2013, 10:30 PM

Backlund is being outplayed by the other 3 Cs and getting less icetime, as a consequence.

On a very average team ( being generous) currently and a poor team last season, the management and coaches want him to improve his game or he will be moved.

He has not shown that he is a building block as a top 3 C, on a team that is rebuilding to become a championship contender.

Stajan is in a leadership role and is being counted on to nurture and be a short term mentor to Monahan and Colborne, who look like #1 and 2b /3Cs, projected.

Just my opinion.

Frank MetaMusil · 11-01-2013, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Backlund is being outplayed by the other 3 Cs and getting less icetime, as a consequence.

On a very average team ( being generous) currently and a poor team last season, the management and coaches want him to improve his game or he will be moved.

He has not shown that he is a building block as a top 3 C, on a team that is rebuilding to become a championship contender.

Stajan is in a leadership role and is being counted on to nurture and be a short term mentor to Monahan and Colborne, who look like #1 and 2b /Cs, projected.

Just my opinion.

What the hell? I actually agree with everything you said here.

nik- · 11-01-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

The lengths people will go to make up crazy conspiracy theories are hilarious sometimes.

Do you really think that Burke is going to put his hockey reputation on the line in likely one of, if not the, last hockey jobs he gets so he can put Colborne on the ice in some sort of BS affirming decision?

You really think that Burke is so short sighted/selfish that he thinks playing Colborne a ton will do more for his reputation than icing quality players and turning the Flames around?

I am not sure why people have to look so hard and make up crazy stories when the truth, the Flames are weak at center so it is easy to move up the depth chart and get a ton of minutes, is so much more likely.

I absolutely think that Burke was key, if not the main reason behind the Colborne pickup. Hockey guys having "their players" isn't a new thing, I'm not sure why you think that's so far fetched.

Clever_Iggy · 11-01-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ashasx

Can't blame Savard at all. He proved that he was not the problem. The coach was fired at the end of the season anyway!

I wouldn't blame Backlund at all if he asked for a trade. This is his career.

I think Feaster and Burke would laugh at Backlund and tell him that it's going to be tough sledding since there's not a lot of suitors out there for a guy that's toeing the line of being a underperforming (bust) former 1st rounder.

moon · 11-01-2013, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Puckluck said it best, there are other teams who could turn Backlund into a stud (Detroit) but that's also just speculation. As for Ramo, I don't think he's that much better than MacDonald honestly. They are both bad. I'd give Berra a shot, it's a rebuild afterall.

There hasn't been one point in his career, not in Sweden, not in the WHL, not in the AHL and certainly not in the NHL that Backlund has looked close to developing into a top 6 player let alone a stud.

Not sure why people are so concerned about potentially losing (even though there is zero indication he is going anywhere) a guy that has shown not much at all offensively in terms of what a top 6 guy should show.

Maybe Backlund does leave and maybe he takes a crazy leap in play but it seems pretty pointless to worry about that and act as though him turning into something he has never shown the ability or potential to be.

Yoho · 11-01-2013, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Backlund is being outplayed by the other 3 Cs and getting less icetime, as a consequence.

On a very average team ( being generous) currently and a poor team last season, the management and coaches want him to improve his game or he will be moved.

He has not shown that he is a building block as a top 3 C, on a team that is rebuilding to become a championship contender.

Stajan is in a leadership role and is being counted on to nurture and be a short term mentor to Monahan and Colborne, who look like #1 and 2b /3Cs, projected.

Just my opinion.

Can't imagine it only taking a 4th round pick to get a 2b center. 3rd line is where Colborne will max out on any good team

Erick Estrada · 11-01-2013, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by timbit

Backlund is being outplayed by the other 3 Cs and getting less icetime, as a consequence.

On a very average team ( being generous) currently and a poor team last season, the management and coaches want him to improve his game or he will be moved.

He has not shown that he is a building block as a top 3 C, on a team that is rebuilding to become a championship contender.

Stajan is in a leadership role and is being counted on to nurture and be a short term mentor to Monahan and Colborne, who look like #1 and 2b /3Cs, projected.

Just my opinion.

There are going to be high and some very low points this season and payers are going to take their turns in the press box as there's not a lot of proven players on the roster. I think the team is looking to see which players come back and get better and which ones don't. All part of the process as some players aren't going to be here next year and Backlund could be one of them. It's all up to him.

moon · 11-01-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by nik-

I absolutely think that Burke was key, if not the main reason behind the Colborne pickup. Hockey guys having "their players" isn't a new thing, I'm not sure why you think that's so far fetched.

I think Burke was 90% behind trading for Colborne or at least his opinion on him was the biggest reason for acquiring him, but that is a huge leap to then say that Burke is forcing the team to play him big minutes to "affirm a past decision." That is far fetched.

Resolute 14 · 11-01-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Hells Bells

Backlund can play the wing.

Give him Glencross' icetime... if anyone deserves 8 mins or less, its Curtis.

Frankly, Transplant is right. Backlund flat out did not earn any ice time tonight. Glencross was far more involved, both offensively and defensively.

All of you "meritocracy" people need to accept that Backlund does not merit the ice time right now.

nik- · 11-01-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

I think Burke was 90% behind trading for Colborne or at least his opinion on him was the biggest reason for acquiring him, but that is a huge leap to then say that Burke is forcing the team to play him big minutes to "affirm a past decision." That is far fetched.

I don't think Burke is calling his minutes, I never said that. I said Hartley is jamming him down our throats. I think that Colborne was far from earning the minutes he was getting, especially in the first 10 games. If he was held the same "accountability" level that Backlund and Sven are now in his first 10 games, he'd be in the box constantly.

Frank MetaMusil · 11-01-2013, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by moon

There hasn't been one point in his career, not in Sweden, not in the WHL, not in the AHL and certainly not in the NHL that Backlund has looked close to developing into a top 6 player let alone a stud.

Not sure why people are so concerned about potentially losing (even though there is zero indication he is going anywhere) a guy that has shown not much at all offensively in terms of what a top 6 guy should show.

Maybe Backlund does leave and maybe he takes a crazy leap in play but it seems pretty pointless to worry about that and act as though him turning into something he has never shown the ability or potential to be.

If Backlund was scouted so heavily, it makes me wonder what a plethora of teams didn't see in Jamie Benn.

For the record, I don't care if they trade Backlund. Sean Monahan has played a grand total of 13 games for the Flames, and he's already better.

Fire · 11-01-2013, 10:37 PM

Glencross is on pace for 25 goals this season. This is pretty much what everyone should have expected before the season started.

Give the goaltending until the 20 game mark before making any decisions. If goaltending is still a problem then call-up one of Ortio or Berra.

transplant99 · 11-01-2013, 10:39 PM

I think the thing with Backlund is that at times, he just looks like there is more there than what actually happens. He seems like a smart player who simply doesnt make the smart play when needed.

There has been flashes of being really good, and then thats followed up with equally long or longer periods of being mediocre and at times very poor.

His time is running thin to get that turned around. Right now he is, at best, the 4th best C in the orginization...and thats not where the club needs him to be.