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EYE_Overstand · 10-30-2013, 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by MJK

Some good conversations here guys! Whether you agree or not, it's an interesting debate although the 'ban guns just use cross bows' had me in stitches.

1. ban + guns was never uttered
2. i did say positive things that you were sharing your "kill" with the community and that you eat the meat
3. some gun owners are so negative and sensitive that they just hear and see what they want

Nehkara · 10-31-2013, 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

1. ban + guns was never uttered
2. i did say positive things that you were sharing your "kill" with the community and that you eat the meat
3. some gun owners are so negative and sensitive that they just hear and see what they want

While this is true that you never said "ban guns"... It did seem implied at the time of your first post given that you said you view hunting with a gun to be cheating. I do understand at this point that that is not what you meant.

I also understand why MJK would find this so humourous because where he lives and hunts... I mean, I've never been there but from what I understand there is little to no cover. If you tried hunting with a bow or crossbow (maximum effective range of about 40-60 yards), it would be incredibly hard to even ever get an opportunity at something. Up there, long range is the norm. It may be one of several reasons he is using a .243 as well, as that calibre is quite flat-shooting out to about 400 yards, a very nice gun for longer shots (I have one myself as well as a .30-06).

MJK · 10-31-2013, 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

While this is true that you never said "ban guns"... It did seem implied at the time of your first post given that you said you view hunting with a gun to be cheating. I do understand at this point that that is not what you meant.

I also understand why MJK would find this so humourous because where he lives and hunts... I mean, I've never been there but from what I understand there is little to no cover. If you tried hunting with a bow or crossbow (maximum effective range of about 40-60 yards), it would be incredibly hard to even ever get an opportunity at something. Up there, long range is the norm. It may be one of several reasons he is using a .243 as well, as that calibre is quite flat-shooting out to about 400 yards, a very nice gun for longer shots (I have one myself as well as a .30-06).

You nailed it. If I got into bow range I would surely be charged/trampled to death by the herd. There is no cover here. I have also hunted with a bow before primarily because in NL you get to head out a week early before the guns are out. UNless you are sitting in a blind in a tree and wait, bow hunting is very difficult and really not practical for someone like me in Nunavut.

That and the last thing I would ever want is to shoot something like a muskox and only injury it, have it run back into the herd and never know what one I hit. With my rifle the chances of that happening is slim to none. The animal dies quicker and I scare the herd away in the process. Win/win.

HockeyIlliterate · 10-31-2013, 09:23 AM

A few random questions, from someone who has never hunted and only fired a gun once:

A relative gave me a 1903 Springfield, which I believe is a .30-06 caliber.

What kinds of animals could conceivably be killed with this type of gun?

And how would someone, who has no experience with guns or hunting, learn how to properly hunt? I assume taking a few gun safety classes would be wise, but what would be the best method to both find a place to hunt on and someone else to hunt with?

MJK · 10-31-2013, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

A few random questions, from someone who has never hunted and only fired a gun once:

A relative gave me a 1903 Springfield, which I believe is a .30-06 caliber.

What kinds of animals could conceivably be killed with this type of gun?

And how would someone, who has no experience with guns or hunting, learn how to properly hunt? I assume taking a few gun safety classes would be wise, but what would be the best method to both find a place to hunt on and someone else to hunt with?

If you haven't taken the hunter's safety and by the sounds of it you haven't that's the first step. Find one that will give you your Possession Acquisition License at the conclusion of the course. That will allow you to legally purchase firearms and ammunition. If you have a store like Cabella's close, they offer these courses regularily.

As far as actual hunting, find a friend who hunts, you’ll learn a ton by just watching what they do and get involved in the overall process.

Bring_Back_Shantz · 10-31-2013, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

A few random questions, from someone who has never hunted and only fired a gun once:

A relative gave me a 1903 Springfield, which I believe is a .30-06 caliber.

What kinds of animals could conceivably be killed with this type of gun?

And how would someone, who has no experience with guns or hunting, learn how to properly hunt? I assume taking a few gun safety classes would be wise, but what would be the best method to both find a place to hunt on and someone else to hunt with?

MJK already covered a lot of it, and he's dead on about the Hunter Safety course, and trying to find a friend who hunts.

As for what you could kill with a .30-06, if you can hunt it in Alberta, you can kill it with a .30-06, it's pretty much the jack of all trades hunting rifle.

Sometime's it's a little bit of overkill (for smaller whitetail), and sometimes you might want something a little bigger (maybe for a buffalo, not really sure), but it'll work for anything, especially the kind of thing a newer hunter would be going after.

MJK · 10-31-2013, 02:58 PM

Basically a .30-06 is a big game rifle and Bring_Back_Shantz is right, it is overkill on a lot of game but you can have a small influance over that depending on what ammunition you use and what grain the bullet is.

I use my .30-06 for moose and would on Muskox as well, but it is almost too big for Caribou.

GoinAllTheWay · 10-31-2013, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

A relative gave me a 1903 Springfield, which I believe is a .30-06 caliber.

Damn...that's a beautiful rifle, take care of it! 30-06 cartridge is over 100 yrs old now so it's certainly stood the test of time. Nothing in NA it can't take down.

If you do intend to hunt with it, that's a pretty big rifle to start off with. It has a big boom. I'd very much recommend picking up a .22 and learning to shoot first before you move on to Springfield. A rifle that age is bound to be heavy enough to reduce recoil to manageable levels but still, grab a .22 and shoot the hell out of it. Cheap to buy, cheap to feed.

killer_carlson · 10-31-2013, 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by HockeyIlliterate

A few random questions, from someone who has never hunted and only fired a gun once:

A relative gave me a 1903 Springfield, which I believe is a .30-06 caliber.

What kinds of animals could conceivably be killed with this type of gun?

And how would someone, who has no experience with guns or hunting, learn how to properly hunt? I assume taking a few gun safety classes would be wise, but what would be the best method to both find a place to hunt on and someone else to hunt with?

You shouldn't be shooting at birds with that gun.

The Fonz · 10-31-2013, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

Hunting with a gun is just cheating in my mind...

I'm not against the "sport" of hunting, I just would like everyone to use crossbows and not bullets

The last time you ate bacon, it came off of a pig that was raised in a barn, and killed by electricution. Cows get a bolt shot thru their skull.

Unless you are a vegetarian... who are you to criticize the method with which someone else kills their meat?

EYE_Overstand · 10-31-2013, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

The last time you ate bacon, it came off of a pig that was raised in a barn, and killed by electricution. Cows get a bolt shot thru their skull.

Unless you are a vegetarian... who are you to criticize the method with which someone else kills their meat?

So sensitive dude haha.

I said its unfair Man Vs Deer with a big ass rifle with a scope and all the other technological advantages that people use when hunting an animal.... I'm not saying that using a gun is WRONG because I have seen Food Inc and there are many foul animal raising techniques that are worse then a few bullets in an Elk etc...

Maybe I worded it wrong but all I'm saying is that BIG ass rifle vs Bambi is unfair haha.

Also vegetarian or not (FYI I eat all meat)... I am able to voice anything I damn well want to as long as I do it respectfully... Which I believe I have.

Also the OP who lives in northern Canada must use guns and I understand and am cool with hunting with a rifle because I realize the "bush" and landscape is a lot different then here... I also said that I applause him for eating and sharing all his meat with his family friends and community

Displaced Flames fan · 10-31-2013, 06:23 PM

Going out tomorrow with my Dad. I'm still non-resident as I've only been back for 4 months so I will wait to hunt myself til next year.

Dad has deer (Muley or Whitetail), elk and black bear tags.

For us, it's more about spending quality time together in the outdoors then anything else. If we get some meat, that's a bonus.

Came back yesterday with 1 grouse. Yum.

PIMking · 10-31-2013, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Nehkara

Baiting of almost all animals in Alberta is illegal. Bear baiting is allowed in some areas, not in others.

Either way... I definitely agree, baiting of all kinds is NOT hunting and should not be legal.

Down here you have to be 100 yards away to bait. Cant hunt over it.

Deer aka to Canadians "large dogs", wild hog, bobcat, gator, and yote hunting are big down here.

Pig hunting is a BLAST

GoinAllTheWay · 10-31-2013, 08:24 PM

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Pig hunting is a BLAST

That would be fun. And fishing for Gators, man that looks like a that would be intense! Just cruising the bayou would be fun, toss in gator fishing and I'd be at it all day.

Good times to be had in your part of the world no doubt.

PIMking · 10-31-2013, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoinAllTheWay

That would be fun. And fishing for Gators, man that looks like a blast! Just cruising the bayou would be fun, toss in gator fishing and I'd be at it all day.

Good times to be had in your part of the world no doubt.

The best thing is that hog and yotes are not considered game animals so there is no closed season for them

The Fonz · 11-01-2013, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by EYE_Overstand

So sensitive dude haha.

I said its unfair Man Vs Deer with a big ass rifle with a scope and all the other technological advantages that people use when hunting an animal....

Maybe I worded it wrong but all I'm saying is that BIG ass rifle vs Bambi is unfair haha.

I guess I just don't understand this argument, and it's made so often by so many people.

Hunting deer with any weapon is cheating. They eat grain/grass and pose absolutely no threat to us. If I were to chase a deer with a frying pan, that's cheating, as I want to kill him and he does not want to kill me.

I find it beyond silly when people from the non-hunting crowd decide it's okay to use this advanced weapon to kill, but to use this advanced weapon isn't fair. Hunting isn't supposed to be fair, and throughout existence I'd say it rarely ever has been, whether it's man vs animal or animal vs animal.

BTW, I do not hunt. Own a couple guns but only use them to shoot pidgeons/gophers/etc.

dustyanddaflames · 11-01-2013, 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by The Fonz

I guess I just don't understand this argument, and it's made so often by so many people.

Hunting deer with any weapon is cheating. They eat grain/grass and pose absolutely no threat to us. If I were to chase a deer with a frying pan, that's cheating, as I want to kill him and he does not want to kill me.

I find it beyond silly when people from the non-hunting crowd decide it's okay to use this advanced weapon to kill, but to use this advanced weapon isn't fair. Hunting isn't supposed to be fair, and throughout existence I'd say it rarely ever has been, whether it's man vs animal or animal vs animal.

BTW, I do not hunt. Own a couple guns but only use them to shoot pidgeons/gophers/etc.

Trophy hunter...

MJK · 11-03-2013, 07:49 AM

No guns used in this hunt:

So we went out for a ride yesterday with the dogs. Usually when we run them they stay close but if they see a rabbit they will chase it until the rabbit gets away. Arctic Hare's can run much faster than my dogs can.

So yesterday we saw Oreo (black dog) start chasing this white ball of fur and we just figured it was another rabbit. It wasn't long before Bear was also in on the chase. I just kept driving knowing that the dogs eventually give up on it and follow us.

So I turn around and I see that Oreo is in full chase mode and only about 2 feet away from this white ball of fur. That's when I realized it had to be a fox. I drove as quick as we could to see what would happen!

ANyways, here is basically what went down:

Dogs play a bit while we stop for a break. Bear is looking for the pin on Oreo

This is Oreo looking and waiting for his brother Bear who likes to wander off.

Oreo cooling down

Bear eating snow

Oreo sees what we think is a rabbit...Oreo and Bear take off

We realize it is a fox..the boys closed on him quickly but the fox was quicker

The chase is on!

Everyone was getting tired...they chased the fox for about 10 minutes. The fox couldn't escape becuase it was too slow BUT it was smart. It used the ice to its advantage. Oreo is scared of the ice so he wouldn't go on it. This is how the fox eluded them. Oreo would run around the ice on the left. Bear would run right at it over the ice. The fox would run around the ice to the right. This continued for a long time!!!

The boys were exhausted and the fox was stressed out so I called the dogs off. They were so tired that they listened right away. On the way home here...

Cool down in the snow

Snow on face seems to be the cool down method of choice

K1LLswitch · 11-03-2013, 08:49 AM

This thread makes me want to try out hunting.

Have been a gun owner for about 5 years but never went hunting as a child and only just recently have a new co-worker to offered to take me out, but I need to now find time for a hunter course.

I have the .30-06, but have none of the other gear for hunting. I'm sure google would tell me all the gear I need to have to go hunting, but for the newbie who is just going with a buddy for the 1st time, what do I need to not be useless out there?

FLAMESRULE · 11-03-2013, 10:04 AM

Went out to 412 for my first hunt on Friday. Found what we thought was a great spirit and waited for the critters to show. Didn't see any deer or elk, but it was a blast. Saw a wicked sunrise, couple shooting stars, and has a great day. Biggest thing I learned was just how bad human senses are relative to other animals.

Ended up skeet shooting as well with a couple 12ga. It was a ton of fun.

Going out again next week. Either 412 or down by crowsnest.