Iginla vs. Iginla

[puckluck2]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Public opinion on this forum last year was split on whether to trade him or keep him / resign him.
Now people who wanted him to stay realize the error in their judgement.

Not a peep out of the Iggy fanboys.

Overrated Player. But a nice guy.

Glad we have Monahan and a more balanced Forward roster.

Resign?

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Public opinion on this forum last year was split on whether to trade him or keep him / resign him.
Now people who wanted him to stay realize the error in their judgement.

Not a peep out of the Iggy fanboys.

Overrated Player. But a nice guy.

Glad we have Monahan and a more balanced Forward roster.

Highest garbage content post I've seen recently. I love Iginla but I never said the Flames shouldn't trade him. I always wondered how some fans could boo Mike Vernon's parents at home games. Turns out, it's "fans" like you. Your post has nothing to do with Pittsburgh or Boston.

It's nice to see Iginla still having success. He's always been a great player, but he's not ageless. Whether or not he was a "hindrance" to Calgary's rebuild is irrelevant, that's on the owners and management.

Iginla polarized a minority of posters/fans who thought the guy was a total cancer. The rest are fanboys I guess.

[Bertuzzied]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Highest garbage content post I've seen recently. I love Iginla but I never said the Flames shouldn't trade him. I always wondered how some fans could boo Mike Vernon's parents at home games. Turns out, it's "fans" like you. Your post has nothing to do with Pittsburgh or Boston.

It's nice to see Iginla still having success. He's always been a great player, but he's not ageless. Whether or not he was a "hindrance" to Calgary's rebuild is irrelevant, that's on the owners and management.

Iginla polarized a minority of posters/fans who thought the guy was a total cancer. The rest are fanboys I guess.

ummm 1stland isn't a Flames fan.

[1stLand]

I cheer for the front crest of the jersey not the back. I am not going to get into an Iginla debate with all the Iginla fans on here.

He is a great guy (I've met him) but my hockey opinions of him aren't popular so ill leave it at that.

Pertaining to this thread debate - I believe Iginla is more suited to the Pens style of play

[icecube]

I wish they would change the name of the franchise to the Calgary Iginla's.

[VictoryJuice]

is he a first ballot hall of famer? (PPG avg? - no) (Stanley Cup? - no) I understand that hes done alot especially in international play, but until he at least wins a cup I'm not really sure that he is first ballot.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I'd loved to have kept him. Mark me down as that and still do.

I wouldn't have wanted to sign him to the amount that Boston did, rather a 3-4 year deal that would pay him at an average salary and cap hit for a second line player, say $4 mill per season. Similar to Alfredsson.

I have no problem saying that I want my young prospects learning how to compete, learning how to prepare off ice, and learning how to be a professional from the most consistent goal scorer since the year 2000.

I disagree. A change of culture was needed. Desperately needed. It didn't matter if we changed all 19 other players around Iggy, or if he played 2nd 3rd or 4th line. As long as he was here, the culture around the team would have been the same.

Trading Iginla is easily the biggest move the club has made since the Gilmour trade. It was needed. The team plays differently now, and IMO thats a direct result of Iginla moving.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by 1stLand

Not a peep out of the Iggy fanboys.
r.

Originally Posted by 1stLand

I cheer for the front crest of the jersey not the back. I am not going to get into an Iginla debate with all the Iginla fans on here.

He is a great guy (I've met him) but my hockey opinions of him aren't popular so ill leave it at that.

Not very often you see a tail tucked between ones legs so quickly.

[Northendzone]

Originally Posted by icecube

I wish they would change the name of the franchise to the Calgary Iginla's.

I am changing my kids names to iginla.....I am going to paint my house and vehicle iginla?...

[Stay Golden]

I wish nothing but success for Iggy with the Bruins. I hope he pots 30 again this year just to shut his naysayers up.

[blender]

Originally Posted by VictoryJuice

is he a first ballot hall of famer? (PPG avg? - no) (Stanley Cup? - no) I understand that hes done alot especially in international play, but until he at least wins a cup I'm not really sure that he is first ballot.

Wanna bet?

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

I'd loved to have kept him.

Iggy needed to go for psychological reasons. Even if he played for $1, I wanted him gone. Great guy, great Flame, but this team was stuck in Purgatory without him. This years team is like a breath of fresh air...last years team felt like slow-death.

He will always be one of this teams best, but it's time to move on. He already did. And I think most Flames fans did as well.

[Rifleman]

I would've liked to see Iggy traded for a first at the deadline, then re-signed to a one year deal and get traded again for a first at the deadline, and then re-signed to another one year deal, then get traded again for a first at the deadline. He could be the player that keeps giving us 1sts!

[kirant]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Iggy needed to go for psychological reasons. Even if he played for $1, I wanted him gone. Great guy, great Flame, but this team was stuck in Purgatory without him. This years team is like a breath of fresh air...last years team felt like slow-death.

He will always be one of this teams best, but it's time to move on. He already did. And I think most Flames fans did as well.

I think him and Kiprusoff really needed to go to get the old mentality of the team. It wasn't Iginla's team anymore and they couldn't ask Kiprusoff to do everything for them. With both gone, the Flames really have become Feaster's and Hartley's team.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by VictoryJuice

is he a first ballot hall of famer? (PPG avg? - no) (Stanley Cup? - no) I understand that hes done alot especially in international play, but until he at least wins a cup I'm not really sure that he is first ballot.

Art Ross (2002)
Rocket Richard (2002, 2004)
Olympic Gold (2002, 2010)
Lester B. Pearson (2002)
King Clancy Award (2004)
First Team All Star (2002, 2008, 2009)
Second Team All-Star (2004)
50 goal scorer (2002, 2008)
30 goal scorer (2001-2012)
Memorial Cup Champion (1994, 1995)
1100+ points
500+ goals
NHL leader in goals (2000-2010)
2nd NHL leader in points (2000-2010)
Stanley Cup Finals Appearance
61 points in 69 playoff games


Find a better resume then that waiting in line at the HOF.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Interesting conundrum. Calgary arguably deferred to the ideal image of Iginla while he was here to their own detriment.

All of the things he does shows he is a consummate pro, but the folly of their ways was that he can't be relied on to shoulder the team.

So it is almost (saddeningly) perfect to have traded him. He could still be in and around point per game on a contender, and contribute on the top line, plus function as an experienced leader. But that leadership is an addition to what the team was, not a reason for a cop out.

Same guy, different circumstances. Lucky for a guy like Yzerman that his lifelong franchise was in better shape than Iggy's when he had to accept a change of scene.

[trackercowe]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Find a better resume then that waiting in line at the HOF.

Players waiting include Blake, Markarov, Lindros, Tkachuk, Housley, Andreychuk, Lemieux, Brind'Amour, Kariya, Carbonneau, Barrasso, and Nolan. So yeah there's no way any of those guys are elected into the Hall of Fame before Iginla would be. So that would only depend on who retires in the next few years before Iggy does.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Cole436

Art Ross (2002)
Rocket Richard (2002, 2004)
Olympic Gold (2002, 2010)
Lester B. Pearson (2002)
King Clancy Award (2004)
First Team All Star (2002, 2008, 2009)
Second Team All-Star (2004)
50 goal scorer (2002, 2008)
30 goal scorer (2001-2012)
Memorial Cup Champion (1994, 1995)
1100+ points
500+ goals
NHL leader in goals (2000-2010)
2nd NHL leader in points (2000-2010)
Stanley Cup Finals Appearance
61 points in 69 playoff games


Find a better resume then that waiting in line at the HOF.

Some less lustrous but still good achievements:

-11 straight 30 goal seasons, 13 straight 28 goal seasons
-first black NHL captain
-first black man to win a gold medal in the winter Olympics
-Mark Messier leadership award winner
-Recognized for community service often

[DeluxeMoustache]

Hall of game credentials aside, the guy is still active, and his perennial "slow start" this year translates to 9 points in 11 through October. 2 in 5 then 7 in 6. And his coach noting how he is consistent as compared to the guy he replaced (much his junior). (Consistent? CP has determined he is post apex and then again he had 11 seasons with 30 goals)

Maybe we table the induction ceremonies and see what happens while he is active.

[Cole436]

Originally Posted by trackercowe

Players waiting include Blake, Markarov, Lindros, Tkachuk, Housley, Andreychuk, Lemieux, Brind'Amour, Kariya, Carbonneau, Barrasso, and Nolan. So yeah there's no way any of those guys are elected into the Hall of Fame before Iginla would be. So that would only depend on who retires in the next few years before Iggy does.

The only possible way that Iginla waits is if Jagr, Crosby, Ovechkin, Selanne and Brodeur retire the exact same year. They are the only players in the league who have a stronger resume than Iggy.